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Old 03-01-2013 | 06:34 PM
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Copy, you start a thread named "Quite a Fall from Sec Gates" and can't state a single reason why it's a fall.

Makes sense to me.
Old 03-01-2013 | 06:54 PM
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Copy, to quote yourself, "WTH are you talking about?"

You must be learning impaired. Once again, I didn't start this thread. Obviously the English language is a challenge for you. So is using Google.

Makes sense to me.
Old 03-01-2013 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by UnderOveur
Copy, to quote yourself, "WTH are you talking about?"

You must be learning impaired. Once again, I didn't start this thread. Obviously the English language is a challenge for you. So is using Google.

Makes sense to me.
My bad, you didn't start it. I'm good with English. Still don't have an answer though. Google hasn't helped.
Old 03-01-2013 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DakBroadbent
It was never a fact that the center of the universe was earth. But you're correct; it was BELIEVED TO BE a fact that it was. That belief was incorrect.
Exactly Dak.
Which is why I said in the beginning that FACTS are questionable.
We don't even know what is FACT and what is not because FACT changes - the very reason why they are, and should be, challenged.
Someone challenged the FACT that the earth was flat.

What this has to do with Hagel as SecDef I have no idea.
Passer - I am truly sorry that you have such a poor view of your service's leadership.
I know that if I had felt that way about my leadership it would have been much harder to enjoy my time in the Corps.
But I can relate in some ways - I guess I hold many of those feelings towards 90+% of our country's leadership! [meaning the out for themselves part]
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Sooooo close! Theories change. Facts never do. The facts just sit there, why we humans conjecture about them, sometimes applying the fact label accurately, sometimes not.
We're saying the same thing, basically, aside from the usage of the word fact vs. theory, or 'accepted as fact.'

Thread drift? What thread drift?
Old 03-02-2013 | 12:09 AM
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So is this Epistemology class or Airline Pilot Central?
Philosophers mostly think facts are "justified true belief" or something like that (it's been 3 decades since my last epistemology class).

Rudyard Kipling has a much more visceral definition of facts in this:
Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings'
Old 03-02-2013 | 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DakBroadbent
Sooooo close! Theories change. Facts never do. The facts just sit there, why we humans conjecture about them, sometimes applying the fact label accurately, sometimes not.
We're saying the same thing, basically, aside from the usage of the word fact vs. theory, or 'accepted as fact.'

Thread drift? What thread drift?
Dak - you never really know a fact then because you never really know what is going to change. We *thought* for 169 million years that some fish had been extinct until it showed up off the coast of South America in the 20th century.
Well I thought we were saying the same thing in the last post because you nailed it, but if you are back to FACTS never change - then no we aren't. In this discussion I pointed out many things that were accepted as FACTS until at some point in history they ended up being disproven because amazing - people got it wrong. Maybe you could give me an example of a FACT that you know to be true/unquestionable to better help me understand you point of view?

So is this Epistemology class or Airline Pilot Central?
Just filling the time until somebody answers the question about the new SecDef.
Old 03-02-2013 | 03:58 AM
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Maybe and just maybe he'll take advice from those around him and do the right thing .
Just saying .
Old 03-02-2013 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluglehrer
So is this Epistemology class or Airline Pilot Central?
Philosophers mostly think facts are "justified true belief" or something like that (it's been 3 decades since my last epistemology class).

Rudyard Kipling has a much more visceral definition of facts in this:
Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings'
One of the best poems of all time.

"Let us take off our shoes and define our terms"
Old 03-03-2013 | 05:50 AM
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Rudyard Kipling....ahhh, thanks for the flashback!

Rudyard Kipling - Infantry Columns - 2 hour loop - YouTube
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