One casuality of the budget cuts - Flyovers!
03-01-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
wow, thanks... I didn't realize how much of a waste of tax payer dollars these flyovers really are,.... throw in the bravado and perfectionism.. 'don't mess this up stuff' and it really seems to benefit a small few.... if we are going to be fiscal conservatives... this is a great place to start cutting the waste! Instead of trying to recruit boys with silly fly bys why not spend the money on fixing the MILs high suicide rate.. just sayin 
Got an ax to grind?
03-01-2013, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's nothing fiscally wrong with flyovers, technically speaking. There is a specific purpose and benefit, plus the opportunity to do training since almost any tacair flying is legit training. One jet flyover probably has more recruiting benefit than 50 enlisted recruiters beating the bushes for a month or two. The military do have a specific and legitimate requirement to recruit new members (until we re-instate the draft)
The problem is that they APPEAR to be wasteful to the uninformed, and will probably have to fall by the wayside for that reason alone.
But you don't seem to have the slightest clue...you're mixing military operators with the highest levels of greed and corruption in our society. Those two are not related.
The problem is that they APPEAR to be wasteful to the uninformed, and will probably have to fall by the wayside for that reason alone.
But you don't seem to have the slightest clue...you're mixing military operators with the highest levels of greed and corruption in our society. Those two are not related.
Originally Posted by Sputnik
Got an ax to grind?
For those advocating these fly overs... hypothetically... choose one.
(for the knowledgeable, how much does, generally, does a 4 ship flyover cost? Since it is 'entertainment' at a sports event, who pays for it? The tax payer? The consumer? The event corporation (NFL for example)
A. Fly Overs
B. Funding to address the serious problem of MIL suicides and rape.
03-01-2013, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
you are simply assuming that your values are fundamental and universal....
The MIL and MIC are of empire, causing this country serious harm and one starts a thread to lament the loss of self aggrandizing and highly expensive fly-overs....
For those advocating these fly overs... hypothetically... choose one.
(for the knowledgeable, how much does, generally, does a 4 ship flyover cost? Since it is 'entertainment' at a sports event, who pays for it? The tax payer? The consumer? The event corporation (NFL for example)
A. Fly Overs
B. Funding to address the serious problem of MIL suicides and rape.
The MIL and MIC are of empire, causing this country serious harm and one starts a thread to lament the loss of self aggrandizing and highly expensive fly-overs....
For those advocating these fly overs... hypothetically... choose one.
(for the knowledgeable, how much does, generally, does a 4 ship flyover cost? Since it is 'entertainment' at a sports event, who pays for it? The tax payer? The consumer? The event corporation (NFL for example)
A. Fly Overs
B. Funding to address the serious problem of MIL suicides and rape.
And they cost MILLIONS!
03-01-2013, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
you are simply assuming that your values are fundamental and universal....
The MIL and MIC are of empire, causing this country serious harm and one starts a thread to lament the loss of self aggrandizing and highly expensive fly-overs....
For those advocating these fly overs... hypothetically... choose one.
(for the knowledgeable, how much does, generally, does a 4 ship flyover cost? Since it is 'entertainment' at a sports event, who pays for it? The tax payer? The consumer? The event corporation (NFL for example)
A. Fly Overs
B. Funding to address the serious problem of MIL suicides and rape.
The MIL and MIC are of empire, causing this country serious harm and one starts a thread to lament the loss of self aggrandizing and highly expensive fly-overs....
For those advocating these fly overs... hypothetically... choose one.
(for the knowledgeable, how much does, generally, does a 4 ship flyover cost? Since it is 'entertainment' at a sports event, who pays for it? The tax payer? The consumer? The event corporation (NFL for example)
A. Fly Overs
B. Funding to address the serious problem of MIL suicides and rape.
Turn off MSNBC. You could cut the ENTIRE DOD budget, just shutter the entire military, and you still wouldn't begin to make a dent in our fiscal problems. You're getting all spun up over a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of a percent of the big picture. They'll be killed though to satisfy the perception people like you have. Truth is, we'll still fly those hours anyway because we have to.
Flyovers....Heck Airshows
03-01-2013, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Fly overs are already paid for. It comes out of a squadrons budget, which they MUST use to maintain readiness. If you don't meet XYZ training events, you don't maintain your certain level of mandated readiness. We can hit a lot of those wickets with a flyover. i.e. that money is going to be flown somewhere, we get extra return doing flyovers. Conversely if we're out of money, but readiness is met, no flyover.
Turn off MSNBC. You could cut the ENTIRE DOD budget, just shutter the entire military, and you still wouldn't begin to make a dent in our fiscal problems. You're getting all spun up over a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of a percent of the big picture. They'll be killed though to satisfy the perception people like you have. Truth is, we'll still fly those hours anyway because we have to.
Turn off MSNBC. You could cut the ENTIRE DOD budget, just shutter the entire military, and you still wouldn't begin to make a dent in our fiscal problems. You're getting all spun up over a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of a percent of the big picture. They'll be killed though to satisfy the perception people like you have. Truth is, we'll still fly those hours anyway because we have to.
What is MSNBC? Is that for profit information that you'd call news?
Originally Posted by F15andMD11
Nevermind flyovers....
Forget about jets going to airshows, and worst of all, no Thunderbirds or Blues....
Forget about jets going to airshows, and worst of all, no Thunderbirds or Blues....
03-01-2013, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hvydvr
Just make sure the new duty officer's flat screens are bought before the end of the FY
Looked up the price of a T-6B. $6.1 mil each, not including spares or MX support. USN bought 252 of them to teach students how to takeoff, fly, and land. Makes a brand new $300K C172 seem like one hell of a bargain!
03-01-2013, 02:18 PM
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I agree with USMCFLYR, all the flyby's I participated in were part of a normal local training sortie. We just adjusted or re-routed the flightplan to be over the stadium/flyby area to fit the users needs. It was good training
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