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03-25-2013, 09:30 PM
#41
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The AF is only interested in pursuing the model of "health" exemplified by Gen Schwartz and Gen McPeak before him--i.e., the anorexic twig who can't even lift their own weight, much less that of a wounded comrade.
03-26-2013, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Hopefully the first of many commanders to get canned for failing F2F. The double standard is a morale killer.
Regarding Col Bush's bio--only 2100 flight hours in 25 years? That's even more embarrassing than getting fired.
Regarding Col Bush's bio--only 2100 flight hours in 25 years? That's even more embarrassing than getting fired.
03-26-2013, 06:02 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
You are right. For the commander of a heavy unit to only have 2100 hours in 25 years is pretty sad. But, I guess the only way to get that command position is to get out of the cockpit and do the staff/headquarters thing. I had a few commanders that had very little flying time; I never really respected them or trusted them when it came to operational things. If you haven't "been there done that" how can you expect to lead the troops and have them follow you?
03-26-2013, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing
The AF is only interested in pursuing the model of "health" exemplified by Gen Schwartz and Gen McPeak before him--i.e., the anorexic twig who can't even lift their own weight, much less that of a wounded comrade.
03-26-2013, 08:18 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
The special forces guys I knew were tough as nails, but so much of it was mental.
03-26-2013, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
I never really respected them or trusted them when it came to operational things. If you haven't "been there done that" how can you expect to lead the troops and have them follow you?
If it turns out that they are bad pilots, then so be it. But don't write the commander off because you don't think they logged enough time. It's quality, not quantity.
Now, how do you think they are able to talk intelligently about the GIFMAP for your MWS, BOG dwell issues, CDC's, maintenance issues, 7-level upgrades, the myriad of issues that the local congressman wants to hear about (and at a level well above what the average line pilot knows), budget concerns, etc...? As a guy who spent his entire career flying, I'm impressed when they can do all of that. I'm not at their level on all of those issues. But I don't need to be: I'm not the Commander.
Another thing. I've flown with many of these type of officers/pilots over the years. Most were fantastic. A few weren't. However, it had nothing to do with whether they had fewer hours or not. In fact, some of the "low time" pilots I know are better than most of us.
The good ones knew their limits, and relied on their A-team pilots when they needed them. Their knowledge of the mission was solid, however they knew their job was elsewhere, and not stealing the prime missions from the junior guys.
Bottom line: if you don't have respect for them, I doubt that much would change even if they had 8000 hours of flight time.
03-27-2013, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
I think you and rickair (not qualified to be your F/O? Are you serious?) have lost your perspective in some cases.
I'm not saying he's a bad guy, he seems well-liked and certainly dealt with this adversity in a stand-up manner. But even I know enough about the AF to wonder what he's been doing his whole career that his time is that low...that would be a reasonable total for a pointy-nose guy. Separate issue from the waist size thing.
In the Navy nobody gets to be an O6, and most especially operational command, without doing their "MOS" job, and a lot of it.
03-27-2013, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Not all mental. SOF operators maintain a high level of cardio and strength performance by working both very hard. They are typically stronger pound-for-pound than a gym-rat who focuses on muscle mass, but slower than a pure-endurance athlete who doesn't carry any extra weight. It's a constant tug-of-war between strength and cardio, slack off on one and you'll know it fast. You must have a natural endurance ability as a basis for that sort of regimen..anybody can build strength with diet and weights.
03-27-2013, 05:53 AM
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Huggy,
I agree with what you wrote. But I have to say, 2100 hours for a heavy guy is remarkably low. Doesn't mean anything about his command ability (or probably his flying ability), but it is an interesting number.
I agree with what you wrote. But I have to say, 2100 hours for a heavy guy is remarkably low. Doesn't mean anything about his command ability (or probably his flying ability), but it is an interesting number.
03-27-2013, 06:01 AM
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Wasn't he a non-flyer prior to going to UPT? People always don't enter the Air Force initially to fly. Also, I know fighter guys with less than 2100 hours and I can assure you they are more than qualified to be anyone's FO.
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