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Old 03-29-2013, 06:50 AM
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I've been told that the B-1 FHP has but cut in half for the remainder of the Fiscal Year.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:58 AM
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My squadron is basically shutting-down today.....no flying hours left for March.

Yet, we are two days behind in the UPT timeline......

I assume we magically get hours on April first.....which has another colloquialism.

So, ironically, shutting down today to "save money" means we will be further behind on Monday, and it will require weekend cross-country flying to get caught up.


Which (wait for it): costs more money.

'And the beat goes on; and the beat goes on.....'
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:09 AM
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The sad part is more dudes are worried about Tuition Assistance being cut making it harder for them to get a Masters degree to make Major than they are worried about flying hours being cut. We have completely lost focus of what's important in the Air Force. The Air Force has breed this culture that it is more important to get a BS Masters degree to check a box and plan the Air Force ball than it is to become the absolute best pilot you can be.

I am a Distinguished Graduate out of UPT, volunteered to FAIP regardless of the fact that I was number 1 in my class and could have chosen anything else, I have flown and worked my ass off since I've been in the Air Force, have received all Q1's with zero downgrades and over a dozen commendables on all my checkrides, but according to the latest Major board results I have a 21% chance of making Major because I do not have a Masters degree in basket weaving from Phoenix University.
Not saying it's right, but you know you need it to get promoted and haven't done it. Life's full of choices. You don't have to like it (or think it's right)...you just have to do it if you want to get promoted. If you don't then as you said, you have a 79% chance you won't get promoted. Your call. If you don't do it and don't get promoted....don't blame the system.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:18 AM
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Not saying it's right, but you know you need it to get promoted and haven't done it. Life's full of choices. You don't have to like it (or think it's right)...you just have to do it if you want to get promoted. If you don't then as you said, you have a 79% chance you won't get promoted. Your call. If you don't do it and don't get promoted....don't blame the system.
You are absolutely right. I knew the choice I was making would likely prevent me from making Major, but I still decided to make that choice knowing that 20 years on AD would not be an option for me and being the best damn pilot, husband, and father I could be was more important. If I do not make Major it is no one else's fault, but myself and I am ok with that. I just hope that if I am passed over I am not offered continuation and have the chance to walk away with a separation pay so that I have something to show for 10 years of service. Certainly I don't feel entitled to that, but it would be nice to get a head start on a civilian retirement plan considering if I had spent 10 years at a civilian company I probably would have been contributing to a 401k.

I was just pointing out the fact that it's sad that brand new Lt's coming out of Altus or their FTU/RTU show up to the squadron and are told that if they want to make Major to get started on that Masters immediately therefore the new guys are spending more time worrying about checking the box instead of locking themselves in the vault and becoming the best damn co-pilot or wingman they can be. That is what is broken with the system.
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The AF is still a mystery to me too. I had my MBA (from a brick & mortal school before ever joining the AF), and all the squares filled, and I got passed over to
O-4. No UIF, LORs, 15s, no Q-3s, etc. It is what it is, I declined continuation and punched. What bothered me the most about my time in the AF was that the job that I was supposed to be the best, proficient and always ready to fight, was my additional duty.
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Mission accomplishment should be the #1 priority over education or anything else. Look at the leaders in WWII and you'll find many of our great leaders didn't deal with this academic nonsense. Leadership and innovation were the most important qualities.
In the WWII era, promotions were routine due to the buildup and combat attrition. A better comparison would be with previous periods when promotions were scarce, e.g. during postwar drawdowns. I suspect that those passed over were equally critical of whatever filter was being used at that time. If everyone gets a Masters, will something even more objectionable be used to select candidates? Of course they should use "leadership and innovation" qualities, but will they?
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In the WWII era, promotions were routine due to the buildup and combat attrition. A better comparison would be with previous periods when promotions were scarce, e.g. during postwar drawdowns. I suspect that those passed over were equally critical of whatever filter was being used at that time. If everyone gets a Masters, will something even more objectionable be used to select candidates? Of course they should use "leadership and innovation" qualities, but will they?
You're absolutely right -- I was thinking of two in particular, however. Dwight D Eisenhower and George S Patton did not have advanced degrees, although they did attend their service's War College, but I would classify that as PME and not an advanced degree program.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:13 AM
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You're absolutely right -- I was thinking of two in particular, however. Dwight D Eisenhower and George S Patton did not have advanced degrees, although they did attend their service's War College, but I would classify that as PME and not an advanced degree program.
I thought thpose schools were considered equivalent of Master's and PhD level school - in Military Sciences - not saying you got a Doctorate degree out of a War College.?
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Originally Posted by FLY6584 View Post
You are absolutely right. I knew the choice I was making would likely prevent me from making Major, but I still decided to make that choice knowing that 20 years on AD would not be an option for me and being the best damn pilot, husband, and father I could be was more important. If I do not make Major it is no one else's fault, but myself and I am ok with that. I just hope that if I am passed over I am not offered continuation and have the chance to walk away with a separation pay so that I have something to show for 10 years of service. Certainly I don't feel entitled to that, but it would be nice to get a head start on a civilian retirement plan considering if I had spent 10 years at a civilian company I probably would have been contributing to a 401k.

I was just pointing out the fact that it's sad that brand new Lt's coming out of Altus or their FTU/RTU show up to the squadron and are told that if they want to make Major to get started on that Masters immediately therefore the new guys are spending more time worrying about checking the box instead of locking themselves in the vault and becoming the best damn co-pilot or wingman they can be. That is what is broken with the system.
I totally agree the system is broken re advanced degrees. I felt exactly the same way you do about having to get a masters degree. I'm one of the few that made it to O-5 without one. I'll be the first to admit I was lucky. I did have a bachelors + in my promotion folder since I was working on a masters and had completed enough credits for the bachelors + level. Once I made O-5 I saw no need to finish it. Fortunately for me at the time the DP recommendation trumped the lack of completed advanced degree. I still think the advanced degree requirement is a complete waste of time and money though.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:07 AM
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I thought thpose schools were considered equivalent of Master's and PhD level school - in Military Sciences - not saying you got a Doctorate degree out of a War College.?
No, the AF doesn't award doctorates out of AWC. A doctorate is typically a 3-year program involving lots of research.

You might get a Master's equivalent today if the courses are accredited and you do a little extra work.
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