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Old 01-22-2014 | 06:36 AM
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Need opinions… Retiring military. Want nothing more than to be a pilot with a major. Done flying at the end of Feb. If a major doesn't call, need to find a job to stay current…
Option 1: Regional (focus would be on flying a jet and quality of life).
Option 2: Contract pilot (overseas every few months to fly turboprops).
What would you do?
TT 2000 (all turbine / 750 fighter time)
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Old 01-22-2014 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TunaUSMC
Need opinions… Retiring military. Want nothing more than to be a pilot with a major. Done flying at the end of Feb. If a major doesn't call, need to find a job to stay current…
Option 1: Regional (focus would be on flying a jet and quality of life).
Option 2: Contract pilot (overseas every few months to fly turboprops).
What would you do?
TT 2000 (all turbine / 750 fighter time)
PIC 1300
MEL 1800
Total time is relatively low even for a mil guy. I think the target # is 2500 hrs, at least at UAL.

Quality of life will suck at a regional even if you live in base. Pay will be abysmal. If your life is going to be painful for a bit I'd take the $$ assured of the overseas job. I have a couple friends teaching CAS overseas making over $250K while they wait for a major to call.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 06:55 AM
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Total time is relatively low even for a mil guy. I think the target # is 2500 hrs, at least at UAL.

Quality of life will suck at a regional even if you live in base. Pay will be abysmal. If your life is going to be painful for a bit I'd take the $$ assured of the overseas job. I have a couple friends teaching CAS overseas making over $250K while they wait for a major to call.
Yeah, certainly is some good money with the contract job ($120,000 before taxes). Other issues too. Would be tough to manage regional pay for even a year. Wouldn't do it more than two. Wouldn't do the contract thing for more than two either. Then I'll become a Shimpin Boat Capn.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 07:01 AM
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Unless you do a TRACOM tour, breaking 3k gets hard unless you found the magic path and did nothing but fly.

13 years, never out of the cockpit, 1880 Navy hours.

On O-4 retired pay, you could probably survive on regional pay, but not have much spare. I know when I did the math for drilling my ass off as a O-3 it was barely scraping by on regional pay, and even now as an O-4, it's not much better.

I'm going the contract turboprop route.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 07:04 AM
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Unless you do a TRACOM tour, breaking 3k gets hard unless you found the magic path and did nothing but fly.

13 years, never out of the cockpit, 1880 Navy hours.

On O-4 retired pay, you could probably survive on regional pay, but not have much spare. I know when I did the math for drilling my ass off as a O-3 it was barely scraping by on regional pay, and even now as an O-4, it's not much better.

I'm going the contract turboprop route.
You're right about that TRACOM deal. The golden ticket to rack up the hours. Plus, as a Marine, you're gonna do your time out of the cockpit (school, FAC, IA). I feel lucky to be breaking 2000TT with only 12 years of flying.
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By way of background I'm recently retired AF single seat. I considered the regional thing and couldn't do it mainly due to the pay. Even with your retirement check you're looking at a 50-60% pay cut for an abysmal QOL. Heck, I feel broke on year 1 pay at a major. It's a lot less $$ than year 20 as an O4 that's for certain.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 07:55 AM
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Do you guys think the pay would start to be more doable if you did the regional thing to build up some 121 jet time for the majors and also flew in the reserves? That's what I'm considering, I think that would get me at least within a reasonable range of what I was making as an 11 year O-3 before getting out. I'm at 2300 so I'm slightly below the fringe for the majors and Spirits/JetBlues of the industry.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kb8018
Do you guys think the pay would start to be more doable if you did the regional thing to build up some 121 jet time for the majors and also flew in the reserves? That's what I'm considering, I think that would get me at least within a reasonable range of what I was making as an 11 year O-3 before getting out. I'm at 2300 so I'm slightly below the fringe for the majors and Spirits/JetBlues of the industry.

Yes, I've done that (wife works though). But live near your mil duty station, that way you have more flexibility to jump on opportunities. Added benefit is that you're home every night when you're drilling.

If you can somehow arrange it so that you can drive to both airline and mil jobs regional QOL might be better than you would think. That's my current situtaion and it's made me very, very picky about changing jobs. Even on reserve, things are slow at certain times of the year so you can get a lot of time at home.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by E2CMaster
breaking 3k gets hard unless you found the magic path and did nothing but fly.
21 years in Navy tac air, never left the cockpit - not an option for our Marines and very rare these days in the Navy. And yes, Tuna, it is indeed Tako that I was referring to. I entered service with him via NSI in '90 and finished down the hall from him in the same Hangar in Miramar... for 3 years as the XO of 101. I should probably write a book...
Good luck, fellas, holler if I can help in any way.
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Old 01-22-2014 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kb8018
Do you guys think the pay would start to be more doable if you did the regional thing to build up some 121 jet time for the majors and also flew in the reserves? That's what I'm considering, I think that would get me at least within a reasonable range of what I was making as an 11 year O-3 before getting out. I'm at 2300 so I'm slightly below the fringe for the majors and Spirits/JetBlues of the industry.
The reserves could definitely augment the crappy pay from the regionals. However, you are in the same boat I'm in. Do military guys like us need to go the regional route to look more competitive or will other routes to stay current / build hours work for us and keep us out of the "regional category" and looked at as military.
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