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Old 01-02-2016 | 05:44 PM
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Are you "scoobs" from BaseOps?
Ahh, good 'ole Scoobs. What a piece of work.
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Old 01-03-2016 | 04:27 PM
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Has anyone else been in this once passed over category, and was able to get Palace Chased out before hitting that second board? Or, is it even possible to PC if you do get selected for promotion? I've got 2 years left on my ADSC, and I'm eager to GTFO early if I can.

I've heard the applications require a unit already intent on hiring them, though.
If you're passed over for O-4 and then go to Guard/Reserve, you only buy yourself a little more time. Then you're the new guy at your new unit who has to go up against folks who may be well established with their commanders and leadership chain.

Not making O-4 is a major hurdle for Os. I've seen two Captains get the can in my reserve unit, a third who was allowed to continue but he kept getting passed over. I believe he has finally been kicked out.

USAF makes very stupid personnel decisions.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
Are you "scoobs" from BaseOps?
No, I think he's a Russian spy.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
If you're passed over for O-4 and then go to Guard/Reserve, you only buy yourself a little more time. Then you're the new guy at your new unit who has to go up against folks who may be well established with their commanders and leadership chain.

Not making O-4 is a major hurdle for Os. I've seen two Captains get the can in my reserve unit, a third who was allowed to continue but he kept getting passed over. I believe he has finally been kicked out.

USAF makes very stupid personnel decisions.
If you're an O-3 in the ANG and have SOS done, whether by in-residence or by correspondence, you will be ROPMA'd to O-4 at 7 years time in grade. You will not be passed over for O-4 unless you've had some serious disciplinary issues. I've even seen guys get promoted without PME, although this is getting more rare From what I understand, every officer position in the ANG is an O-4. It's O-5 and above that starts to get more competitive, but I haven't even seen many passed over for O-5 with PME done.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 01:34 PM
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I must be Jewish: Sos Check, ACSC check good OPR's. Good years. No promotion. I seem to celebrate Passover every year. I've seen many academy grads get promoted. They could not fly well. They did not work well with others. But, they had the Ring.

So I just fly the jet and I'm OK with that. Ill get my 20. Then a flying job....I hope. To me a bad day in the jet is better than any meeting or cubicle.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 04:44 PM
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Celebrating Passover is pretty funny, haven't heard that before. Academy grad here, passed over. Friends with many fellow grads also passed over.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
If you're an O-3 in the ANG and have SOS done, whether by in-residence or by correspondence, you will be ROPMA'd to O-4 at 7 years time in grade. You will not be passed over for O-4 unless you've had some serious disciplinary issues. I've even seen guys get promoted without PME, although this is getting more rare From what I understand, every officer position in the ANG is an O-4. It's O-5 and above that starts to get more competitive, but I haven't even seen many passed over for O-5 with PME done.
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Here's one more thing you can do. Write the AFRes/ANG promotion board a letter stating that you have been accepted into a O-4 slot at a guard/reserve unit and that you need to be promoted in order to fill that slot. I did and it worked for me.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cwjflyer20
I must be Jewish: Sos Check, ACSC check good OPR's. Good years. No promotion. I seem to celebrate Passover every year. I've seen many academy grads get promoted. They could not fly well. They did not work well with others. But, they had the Ring.

So I just fly the jet and I'm OK with that. Ill get my 20. Then a flying job....I hope. To me a bad day in the jet is better than any meeting or cubicle.
The promo boards don't care if you are a zoomie or not. Source of commission has been masked for a couple of decades now. Hamfists come from all walks of life.
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Old 01-04-2016 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cwjflyer20
But, they had the Ring.
Maybe I wasn't very observant, but I never saw that as a factor in field grade promotion boards.
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Old 01-05-2016 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cwjflyer20
I've seen many academy grads get promoted. They could not fly well. They did not work well with others. But, they had the Ring.
Perhaps when you step out of your time machine set to 1975, you'll have better luck.

The whole "ring" culture hasn't been around the AF for decades.

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Maybe I wasn't very observant, but I never saw that as a factor in field grade promotion boards.
When Huggy hasn't seen it, it hasn't been true for a long, long time!
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