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Quote: Let me make sure I get your message. You hate the union leadership and don't like how they are trying to accomplish their job. You don't believe we should attempt to force better sim training and training, in general, for lower time pilots. You believe we all have remorse over our career choices if we are at NetJets. Do you also think we should go into full surrender mode and not try any and every legal way to improve our contract and safety? Do you have any actual suggestion for the union leadership to try? Your ridiculing every attempt seems to indicate your desire for full capitulation to management's demands/ accepting the POS offer they made and full leadership resignation. Any attempts to improve things seem to greatly bother you. What shall we do to better things?
You can’t negotiate with people like him and his peers. They aren’t line pilots. They are managers. They sit at the same desk every day. They don’t and can’t do your job. So they have no clue. Their main job right now is to undermine the union, split the the pilot group in hopes of new union leadership. We’ve seen this before. Sadly it worked twice. Once with us and they just pulled it off again with the flight attendants union. Anyone who disputes you deserve more is with out of touch with reality, has no sense of professional self worth, or has another agenda that only benefits them not the pilot group. I hope people are paying close attention
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Longitude vs Challenger 350
Can anyone comment on difference in flying longitude versus challenger 350? Handling? Technology? Comfort? Mission? Flight time, Performance, Anything else that I don’t know to ask? Thank you very Much!
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Quote: Can anyone comment on difference in flying longitude versus challenger 350? Handling? Technology? Comfort? Mission? Flight time, Performance, Anything else that I don’t know to ask? Thank you very Much!
my biggest compliant about the CL350 is the much higher cabin altitude. 6 hour flights at 7800' cabin altitude really wear you down versus the lower cabin altitude of the Longitude/Latitude. Outside of that, the airplane rocks but we aren't getting anymore of them so it is a dead fleet but will be around for some time though.
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Quote: Can anyone comment on difference in flying longitude versus challenger 350? Handling? Technology? Comfort? Mission? Flight time, Performance, Anything else that I don’t know to ask? Thank you very Much!
The Longitude flies really well, handles well, great airplane. Avionics are easy if you are familiar with the Garmin avionics. The cabin altitude is a gem. The 350 is still a work horse though, a real clydesdale, solid, reliable, doesn't break (anymore). Most productive tours are still on the 350 right now, good FDP money but we're getting there with the Longitude.
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Citation XLS vs Sovereign vs Latitude
Thank you for helping me understand difference between CL350 and Longitude. Can anyone provide info on differences in midsize fleet: Citation XLS vs Sovereign vs Latitude. I know the Latitude is a newer design and shares a lot with the longitude. Wondering how getting the XLS or Sovereign compares to getting the Latitude at Netjets. Thank you again!
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Quote: Thank you for helping me understand difference between CL350 and Longitude. Can anyone provide info on differences in midsize fleet: Citation XLS vs Sovereign vs Latitude. I know the Latitude is a newer design and shares a lot with the longitude. Wondering how getting the XLS or Sovereign compares to getting the Latitude at Netjets. Thank you again!
The primary difference between the XLS/Sovereign and the Latitude is about half. As in roughly half of FDP earnings.

The XLS and Sovereign fleets are old and brittle and will disappear sooner than later. And the sooner, the better.
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I average around 20 hrs total a tour on the XLS. I believe the Sovereign is about that too. The Latitude is likely around 30 total hours in a tour as it is newer with fewer breaks per cycle, and the shear number of them. Crews can just hop-scotch to the next one if their plane goes down.
Btw..The crew brief at the beginning of the week includes not doing the company’s jobs, not flying a broken plane, not flying tired or hungry. Having said that, when you have a good bird and similar crew schedule, you’re guaranteed some loooong duty days and close to 30 hrs total for the week.
‘The XL has a great group of folks flying that bird.
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Quote: Holy Crapoli!! If Mr. Extendo himself and ever loving NetJets poster boy say this, then it must be true. I would certainly listen to his advice, especially if it’s coming from Zebra regarding NOT coming to NetJets. Definitely take this as sound advice. You have been warned.

I understand that you feel strongly about the advice given by myself. It's important to take into account various perspectives and sources of information when making decisions about employment or any other important matters. While it's helpful to consider advice from others, ultimately, it's crucial to gather as much information as possible and make choices that align with your own needs, goals, and circumstances. If you have any specific questions or concerns about NetJets or any other topic, there’s a lot on the internet to digest.
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Quote: The problem is, you are talking about changing the entire identity of how NJASAP justifies the demand for higher pay. Nobody pays more to fly private jets over the span of a career than NJA, unless you find some unicorn 91 gig. The continued path to try and keep up with the airlines causes them to make up reasons to justify their position. Most NJA pilots agree with it and will argue it. I laughed at the latest NJASAP ad. ASE and JAC aren't challenging at all, especially when you consider that you can go into some insane airports with made-up visual approaches to some random dude's ranch that you have never seen before. Of all the challenging airports I have flown to in my career, ASE and JAC are not on that list and probably don't make the top 10.

New hires aren't the problem. I almost wonder if NJASAP is trying to further create hiring issues for the company by chastizing them for being lower time in hopes that they will quit faster and/or not go to NJA. Very odd tactic. Either NJA pilots are the highest trained or they aren't, can't have it both ways. NJASAP seems to sell the idea that the pilots are the highest trained yet lack the skill to operate at airports people go to on a daily basis at every other operator.

I fully agree with you. They are focusing on ASE yet new hires are going into airplanes that can fly all over the world and have no international experience. Flying the tracks to a foreign airport is way more challenging than Aspen will ever be.

It seems like you have strong opinions regarding the challenges and training requirements at NetJets (NJA) and how they are communicated by NJASAP. Perspectives on these matters can vary among individuals, and it's important to consider different viewpoints and experiences.

Airport challenges can differ based on various factors, including weather conditions, terrain, approach procedures, and aircraft capabilities. While some pilots may find certain airports more challenging than others, opinions can vary based on individual experiences and preferences.

Regarding new hires, it's essential to strike a balance between ensuring pilots are adequately trained and experienced while also providing opportunities for growth and development. The focus on specific airports or requirements may be part of a broader discussion about training standards and the overall skill set expected from NJA pilots.

It's important to remember that pilots' training and capabilities can evolve throughout their careers, and different operators may have varying expectations and approaches.
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Quote: So where should a 65yr old retired airline pilot go, if not NetJets?
Something besides flying.

Diversify. Like investing.
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