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Old 01-25-2026 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by biigD
You keep comparing Netjets to a legacy. But your comment seems to indicate that you don't understand what a regional captain makes.

I am curious what the regional captain’s are making? I honestly don’t have a realistic idea. I look at Envoy and see ~$175/hr. For a year 5 pic Using the classic rule of x1000 credit, they are pulling in $175k. But maybe that’s not accurate in modern times? As a comparison, a NetJets PIC in year 5 on 7/7 schedule is minimum $250k, but could push $300k no problem with extra days or living in a busy base and not having to airline day 1/7. I’ll openly admit that a legacy would have better work rules and compensation. Obviously not everyone here wants to work at a legacy though, as the attrition that isn’t age out, isn’t astronomical.
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Old 01-25-2026 | 07:20 AM
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I am not aware of the 4 Legacy Carriers hiring, at least to the extent that NetJets did, the amount of flight school graduates right into a jet. In fact in the Global, we have had multiple pilots make their first landing in a jet in the Global. This is because they got hired into the Phenom and sat at home for so long waiting IOE and never touched the airplane and took the Global bid. This was as late as December 2024. Most of the Legacy carriers still required 1000 turbine time from what I was told and a lot will punch out when the Legacy carriers start hiring again. Also, a lot of the new hire pilots don't want to commute and the brutal schedule that comes with the Legacy carriers in the beginning, or so they say. Granted, I do believe long term a Legacy carrier far out shines NetJets, but I live in an airline base. A lot of the new hires just dread commuting even though I believe that has more to do with the horror stories they here from their colleagues who are at a Regional.
You are comparing NJA to legacies. The proper comparison is to the regionals as NJA and the regionals are the exact same hiring demographic. Nobody went from a part 61 Seminole as a CFI, to the right seat of a 777. I have known tons of people who have gone from instructing, right into the right seat of G550s, Globals, Falcons etc. so it isn't crazy at all to do that.

Nobody said one was better than the other, but your statement of making 6 figures before 30 is wrong on every level. I have flown with 4 or so, former NJA FOs and one CA who upgraded but left very quickly, then left. The ones who left regionals to go to NJA, all took paycuts, hated it, and immediately left for a major. The 2 who went from instructor gigs right to NJA, said they probably would have stayed if the money was better over the career, but had generally favorable things to say about NJA. There is something for everybody in aviation.
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Old 01-25-2026 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Texasfly
I am curious what the regional captain’s are making? I honestly don’t have a realistic idea. I look at Envoy and see ~$175/hr. For a year 5 pic Using the classic rule of x1000 credit, they are pulling in $175k. But maybe that’s not accurate in modern times? As a comparison, a NetJets PIC in year 5 on 7/7 schedule is minimum $250k, but could push $300k no problem with extra days or living in a busy base and not having to airline day 1/7. I’ll openly admit that a legacy would have better work rules and compensation. Obviously not everyone here wants to work at a legacy though, as the attrition that isn’t age out, isn’t astronomical.
I'm not trying to dump on Netjets or say it isn't a good place to work - just responding to: "Where elst can you go from instructing at a part 61 school and 3 years later being a Captain in the Phenom makin good 6 figures under age 30."

And the answer is, just about anywhere.
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Old 01-25-2026 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by biigD
You keep comparing Netjets to a legacy. But your comment seems to indicate that you don't understand what a regional captain makes.
I only have APC to go off. A 14 year Captain small cabin on 7/7 at Netjets makes quite a bit more then a 20 year Captain at Endeavor and others just in base salary alone. Our FDP adds another $20,000-$60,000 on top of base salary depending on how much you fly. I am not even taking into account the 401K comparison for which our match is now 67%. . What am I missing?
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Old 01-26-2026 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05
I only have APC to go off. A 14 year Captain small cabin on 7/7 at Netjets makes quite a bit more then a 20 year Captain at Endeavor and others just in base salary alone. Our FDP adds another $20,000-$60,000 on top of base salary depending on how much you fly. I am not even taking into account the 401K comparison for which our match is now 67%. . What am I missing?
You seem to be missing the premise of your own argument. Nobody said that regional pilots make more than NJA pilots. The argument was making a good 6-figure salary by 30 years old. And literally nobody would stay 20 years at Endeavor, so the argument is off to a rocky start from that point alone. You are going off of base salary at the regionals yet adding FDP to yours. There are tons of soft time and ways to make more money at regionals which you don't take into account, so to answer your question, you seem to be missing quite a bit.

I will add that, 14 year small cabin CA pay at NJA, even if you add FDP, is about what a year 3-5 NB FO makes at literally any mainline carrier, and that doesn't include the DC 401k they get.
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Old 01-26-2026 | 08:30 PM
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How much does the DC Pedro palace cost?
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Old 01-27-2026 | 04:29 PM
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Sounds like a nice retirement gig .
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Old 01-29-2026 | 04:14 PM
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Supposedly he has been in CMH working as a "consultant" at the Taj Mahal. No wonder things have spiraled out of control.
GR has been working as a union consultant?

Shirley, you can't be serious.
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Old 02-06-2026 | 01:35 PM
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GR has been working as a union consultant?

Shirley, you can't be serious.
That's what I've been told. And stop calling me Shirley....

Judging by a number of posts on the MB, he's done an OUTSTANDING job of teaching snark, condescension, and revisionist history in the Taj Mahal. There's one particularly adept student reaching for Shrub level status.
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Old 02-07-2026 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
That's what I've been told. And stop calling me Shirley....

Judging by a number of posts on the MB, he's done an OUTSTANDING job of teaching snark, condescension, and revisionist history in the Taj Mahal. There's one particularly adept student reaching for Shrub level status.
Does anyone think this is a good idea?

He was an unhinged, loathing, narcissistic, toxic liability. Unfortunately, often the behavior of NJASAP mimicks this personality type.
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