NetJets Interview Gouge
04-23-2015, 07:35 AM
#331
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Originally Posted by mooneymite
Were I interviewing prospective pilots, any pilot NOT asking about time to up-grade would be suspect since he's probably not looking for a long-term career. Probably a guy "just passing through".
A pilot serious about a career move should want to know the facts so that he can make a reasonable choice about his future. Making a career move without knowing time-to-up-grade would be a sign of poor judgement!
However, with NetJets you never know. Maybe they're looking for pilots willing to stick their heads in the sand and fly SIC the rest of their lives.
You know....like me.
A pilot serious about a career move should want to know the facts so that he can make a reasonable choice about his future. Making a career move without knowing time-to-up-grade would be a sign of poor judgement!
However, with NetJets you never know. Maybe they're looking for pilots willing to stick their heads in the sand and fly SIC the rest of their lives.
You know....like me.
04-23-2015, 07:36 AM
#332
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
Giving an estimate upgrade time to a potential newhire is completely pointless. No one can give an accurate prediction when we have guys flying into their 70's, a volatile market for business aviation, attrition that may or may not increase, and contentious negotiations.
04-23-2015, 07:38 AM
#333
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
Giving an estimate upgrade time to a potential newhire is completely pointless. No one can give an accurate prediction when we have guys flying into their 70's, a volatile market for business aviation, attrition that may or may not increase, and contentious negotiations.
"About two years."
Obviously, it wasn't accurate, but it was the best guess at the time. If NetJets isn't even giving a "best guess", maybe they figure all the pilots are going to be locked out when contract negotiations collapse any way, so the entire question of up-grades is moot.
04-23-2015, 10:48 AM
#334
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Why the heck wouldn't you ask about upgrade... " ummm, so when can I expect to nearly double my salary". Seems like a legitimate question to ask in my opinion.
If you have a quality resume, good aviation experience etc. Netjets should be courting you, not the other way around. NJA is hurting for the same quality applicants they had 6-7 years ago. You should ask anything you are curious about. NJA is not in the position to be picky concerning simple career questions.
On the other hand, anyone who goes to a NJA interview not knowing that upgrade is going to probably be 10+ years, definitely has not been paying attention or done any research. Which could be a red flag also.
Bottom line, don't be afraid to interview them also. They can not afford to be that picky. NJA is no longer the only game in town.
If you have a quality resume, good aviation experience etc. Netjets should be courting you, not the other way around. NJA is hurting for the same quality applicants they had 6-7 years ago. You should ask anything you are curious about. NJA is not in the position to be picky concerning simple career questions.
On the other hand, anyone who goes to a NJA interview not knowing that upgrade is going to probably be 10+ years, definitely has not been paying attention or done any research. Which could be a red flag also.
Bottom line, don't be afraid to interview them also. They can not afford to be that picky. NJA is no longer the only game in town.
04-23-2015, 01:30 PM
#335
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Why the heck wouldn't you ask about upgrade... " ummm, so when can I expect to nearly double my salary". Seems like a legitimate question to ask in my opinion.
If you have a quality resume, good aviation experience etc. Netjets should be courting you, not the other way around. NJA is hurting for the same quality applicants they had 6-7 years ago. You should ask anything you are curious about. NJA is not in the position to be picky concerning simple career questions.
On the other hand, anyone who goes to a NJA interview not knowing that upgrade is going to probably be 10+ years, definitely has not been paying attention or done any research. Which could be a red flag also.
Bottom line, don't be afraid to interview them also. They can not afford to be that picky. NJA is no longer the only game in town.
If you have a quality resume, good aviation experience etc. Netjets should be courting you, not the other way around. NJA is hurting for the same quality applicants they had 6-7 years ago. You should ask anything you are curious about. NJA is not in the position to be picky concerning simple career questions.
On the other hand, anyone who goes to a NJA interview not knowing that upgrade is going to probably be 10+ years, definitely has not been paying attention or done any research. Which could be a red flag also.
Bottom line, don't be afraid to interview them also. They can not afford to be that picky. NJA is no longer the only game in town.
04-26-2015, 08:27 AM
#337
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Originally Posted by Junglejett
Droves? Really? What is official stance on attrition right now.
8 people....out of how many, 2700+? .3% attrition rate! Staggering numbers...absolutely staggering. If the attrition continues, we will lose 96 pilots by the end of the year! We are so screwed! Time to shutter the place before they want us to fly every day to cover those losses.
Things could certainly be a lot better at NJA but and we are working hard towards those goals. If you do not want to work here, leave or do not apply. It really is that simple.
8 people....out of how many, 2700+? .3% attrition rate! Staggering numbers...absolutely staggering. If the attrition continues, we will lose 96 pilots by the end of the year! We are so screwed! Time to shutter the place before they want us to fly every day to cover those losses.
Things could certainly be a lot better at NJA but and we are working hard towards those goals. If you do not want to work here, leave or do not apply. It really is that simple.
NJA isn't a bad gig and is better than 135 work. The food is OK and the hotels mostly good. But I grew to hate this job. Multiple legs in worn out airplanes, wiping down finger prints, restocking nuts, catering, bags, etc. You know the job. I wanted something different and got it. New hires shouldn't be given a line about upgrades though. I'd expect 20 years or better. The Captain turnover won't be as high as the FO's and this company won't expand enough to upgrade 1000 FO's.
Last edited by Macjet; 04-26-2015 at 08:38 AM.
04-26-2015, 01:39 PM
#338
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The number 8 came from the post below yours. Also, your numbers are skewed because I would be willing to bet that the majority of those numbers were people who did not return from furlough...but I rarely look at the list.
Again, glad to hear found something more fitting your life. No one will begrudge you for doing it.
As for upgrades, we also thought it would be longer before recalls started and we see how that turned out. Also, if you are forecasting a 25% attrition rate, how can that NOT impact upgrade times?
I am sorry you are filled with hate. I have a good therapist that can help you work through your anger and hate.
Later..and good luck
Again, glad to hear found something more fitting your life. No one will begrudge you for doing it.
As for upgrades, we also thought it would be longer before recalls started and we see how that turned out. Also, if you are forecasting a 25% attrition rate, how can that NOT impact upgrade times?
I am sorry you are filled with hate. I have a good therapist that can help you work through your anger and hate.
Later..and good luck
Originally Posted by Macjet
I don't know where you got 8. Comparing the March v. January seniority list we had 85 pilots leave. Extrapolating that out over the rest of the year we get an estimated number of 340 for the year. That represents 12.4% of the seniority list and is considerably higher than our historical average which I believe was around 3%. As someone who has posted their departure on the union board I can tell you that the interest in leaving far exceeds the actual numbers to date and I wouldn't be surprised to see the number jump to 25%. I've been contacted by FO's, Captains, and even union leadership for help in getting out.
NJA isn't a bad gig and is better than 135 work. The food is OK and the hotels mostly good. But I grew to hate this job. Multiple legs in worn out airplanes, wiping down finger prints, restocking nuts, catering, bags, etc. You know the job. I wanted something different and got it. New hires shouldn't be given a line about upgrades though. I'd expect 20 years or better. The Captain turnover won't be as high as the FO's and this company won't expand enough to upgrade 1000 FO's.
NJA isn't a bad gig and is better than 135 work. The food is OK and the hotels mostly good. But I grew to hate this job. Multiple legs in worn out airplanes, wiping down finger prints, restocking nuts, catering, bags, etc. You know the job. I wanted something different and got it. New hires shouldn't be given a line about upgrades though. I'd expect 20 years or better. The Captain turnover won't be as high as the FO's and this company won't expand enough to upgrade 1000 FO's.
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