200Driver

First off I agree "fairmont" was in NO way like 3407. However, correct me if I am wrong. You are trying to say it is the companies responsibility to "educate" the pilot group on how to land at the correct / appropriate airport? The fairmont incident was purely poor airmanship and a complete lack of professionalism. Insinuating the company is some how responsible for "educating" the pilot group on how to accomplish one of the most basic and important aspects of our job is insulting to me as a pilot. This company doesn't handle much in the manor I am accustom, however I would have done the same thing in the fairmont situation. The difference, I would have sent out a company wide email to pilots stating "the pilot was fired and any other bozo who decides to land at the wrong airport will be fired as well".

Stop the excuses and assume some Professional Accountability

Just a thought

Salukipilot4590

Tom a Hawk

200driver:
I didn't mean to insult you, and I agree with you, it's not the company's responsibility to educate the pilot group on basic airmanship. My point was that it is ridiculous for the training department to think because no one got hurt in fairmont then they dodged a bullet and are doing things fine. This company has MAJOR problems with standardization, mediocre sim training, inconsistent manuals and a group of check airmen that don't even know what's in their books let alone how to teach someone to operate in a 121 environment. I believe that Fairmont was a symptom of these problems. That's my point.

Stay safe.

uvuflier

This is what I was trying to say and I think you made my point for me better than I could. By our 3407 I mean that we had our close brush with disaster and if we were serious about safety we would have instituted sweeping reforms. Nicely put.

200Driver

Agreed! There are many phenomenal professionals / pilots with in our ranks. We just need to try and put the right people in the right position to start improving the safety, attitude and over standard of this airline. Fly safe!

EatMyPropwash

That is in fact false. It's 14. :-) . EVERYONE is going to YYZ for im training. They're in negotiations right now with a place in Colorado, but they don't know if the deal will be done before we finish systems and our orals, so YYZ it is for now.

CaptainCarl

The question is why? Why 14 new Beech FOs? That's more FOs than the entire CLE system combined. Is the company expecting a mass exodus from the Beech or are we expecting new flying?

ZBowFlyz

Pure speculation here but I would say that they must be keeping BIL. Rumor is everyone has interviews in CLE, a few have them in BIL. There is one upgrade class set with rumors of another in the near future. They have been canceling flights in BIL due to lack of captains.

BIL alone lost 3 to the Saab, one other quit, one is a check airman with at best 9 days available to fly the line and one is a union guy that is always gone on union "business." That's 6 just in BIL to get them to "proper" staffing. In reality they could use 8 though. Where are the other 9 going? (there's supposed to be 3 in YYZ right now, 14+3=17)

sandrich

Im willing to bet that there will be a staffing bid in the near future (I use the word "near" loosely). In which case, many of the CLE FO's will either 1-have the time to upgrade into the Saab (the senior ones), 2-go right seat into the Saab (the junior ones), 3-go elsewhere. Any scenario would need more BE1900 FO's up north, also in BIL. Another strong rumor (right out of the CPs mouth) is that they will be hiring DEC again in the fall (I guess they plan on a mass exodus of captains to airlines like Spirit, Blue, etc) but will not bypass eligible upgrades.

uvuflier

Well that doesn't seem right.
There's plenty of FOs on the Saab and 1900 that have the time to upgrade so why would they do that? Unless of course they realize that Silver is unattractive to any 1500 hour FO prospects and they decide to lure FOs from other airlines by offering them DEC slots.

Let's hope it remains a rumor.