Silver Airways
05-02-2013 | 03:40 PM
#2821
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From: SF34 FO
Can we please talk about the fact that our illustrious managment want's FO's to take there ATP ride in a Piper Seminole at All ATP. I hope all Silver FO's will stay united in not accepting this and that our union will be suporative of our plight which effects everyone from Sr. FO's in FLL to Jr. guys at the outstations. If were going to be the regional airline of the year than our managment needs to cut out this Mickey Mouse penny pinching crap, we are professionals and deserved to be treated as such.
How is sending us to ATP to fly a Seminole for a couple hours going to make us more qualified to operate our aircraft? I just got back from low time training and found the few hours I had in the sim extremely productive. Unfortunately if this ATP deal turns out to be true I will not be surprised as we once again look for a way to pinch pennies at the expense of our safety culture. As one member of the training department is fond of saying, "We were lucky and had our 3407 in Fairmont and nobody got killed" yet we keep on ignoring the problems as if by doing so, they will go away.
I'm fortunate in that I have to do recurrent around this time anyway, but I am not impressed that they are even considering this. I know these forums get read by some of the management folks. You have a problem and this is not the solution.
05-02-2013 | 03:40 PM
#2822
I'm a man of my word.
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From: Devil's Advocate
Oh lighten up, Francis. Geez, we're just bustin' your chops. I'm curious as to how anyone thinks the company might "force" anyone to take an ATP checkride in anything other than the aircraft they are currently employed to fly. I suppose it could be done, but that's a lot of risk on the part of the applicant.
05-02-2013 | 03:48 PM
#2823
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From: SF34 FO
Oh lighten up, Francis. Geez, we're just bustin' your chops. I'm curious as to how anyone thinks the company might "force" anyone to take an ATP checkride in anything other than the aircraft they are currently employed to fly. I suppose it could be done, but that's a lot of risk on the part of the applicant.
05-02-2013 | 03:53 PM
#2824
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Joined: Jan 2013
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From: CA
Seriously? I think you know the answer to that question. It's just to check a box for the FAA. These FO's aren't really going to act as PIC after their ATP ride.
05-02-2013 | 05:10 PM
#2825
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Per All ATP's website
ATP Certificate 2 Days / $2,395
ATP Certificate – 10-Hour 4 Days / $3,995
ATP Certificate – 15-Hour 5 Days / $5,595
Plus figure $400-600 for examiner. What would the Saab or 1900 sim go for?
ATP Certificate 2 Days / $2,395
ATP Certificate – 10-Hour 4 Days / $3,995
ATP Certificate – 15-Hour 5 Days / $5,595
Plus figure $400-600 for examiner. What would the Saab or 1900 sim go for?
05-02-2013 | 05:34 PM
#2826
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From: SF-340 FO
We all know the company is going to take the cheapest route. The key is how many f/o 's still have to get this done. If there is a huge number say 1/3 then they could make a stand and refuse to do it. They can/will not fire all of them. The problem is they let this drag on without addressing it. It will not matter in a couple of months.
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