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05-04-2013 | 06:53 AM
#2841
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From: SF34 FO
There's plenty of FOs on the Saab and 1900 that have the time to upgrade so why would they do that? Unless of course they realize that Silver is unattractive to any 1500 hour FO prospects and they decide to lure FOs from other airlines by offering them DEC slots.
Let's hope it remains a rumor.
05-04-2013 | 07:17 AM
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From: Lovin' life at .4 (ish) mach
200driver:
I didn't mean to insult you, and I agree with you, it's not the company's responsibility to educate the pilot group on basic airmanship. My point was that it is ridiculous for the training department to think because no one got hurt in fairmont then they dodged a bullet and are doing things fine. This company has MAJOR problems with standardization, mediocre sim training, inconsistent manuals and a group of check airmen that don't even know what's in their books let alone how to teach someone to operate in a 121 environment. I believe that Fairmont was a symptom of these problems. That's my point.
Stay safe.
I didn't mean to insult you, and I agree with you, it's not the company's responsibility to educate the pilot group on basic airmanship. My point was that it is ridiculous for the training department to think because no one got hurt in fairmont then they dodged a bullet and are doing things fine. This company has MAJOR problems with standardization, mediocre sim training, inconsistent manuals and a group of check airmen that don't even know what's in their books let alone how to teach someone to operate in a 121 environment. I believe that Fairmont was a symptom of these problems. That's my point.
Stay safe.
You guys think there will be Saab upgrades? I spoke with some F/Os recently who want the upgrade but are holding out for the Saab instead of the 1900
05-04-2013 | 07:17 AM
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Im willing to bet that there will be a staffing bid in the near future (I use the word "near" loosely). In which case, many of the CLE FO's will either 1-have the time to upgrade into the Saab (the senior ones), 2-go right seat into the Saab (the junior ones), 3-go elsewhere. Any scenario would need more BE1900 FO's up north, also in BIL. Another strong rumor (right out of the CPs mouth) is that they will be hiring DEC again in the fall (I guess they plan on a mass exodus of captains to airlines like Spirit, Blue, etc) but will not bypass eligible upgrades.
05-04-2013 | 07:32 AM
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Im willing to bet that there will be a staffing bid in the near future (I use the word "near" loosely). In which case, many of the CLE FO's will either 1-have the time to upgrade into the Saab (the senior ones), 2-go right seat into the Saab (the junior ones), 3-go elsewhere. Any scenario would need more BE1900 FO's up north, also in BIL. Another strong rumor (right out of the CPs mouth) is that they will be hiring DEC again in the fall (I guess they plan on a mass exodus of captains to airlines like Spirit, Blue, etc) but will not bypass eligible upgrades.
05-04-2013 | 08:52 AM
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From: Lovin' life at .4 (ish) mach
Also, just to make sure I understand the contract correctly, if someone upgrades through a preferential bid, there is no seat lock? If within a few months a staffing bid comes out, they can bid for and get awarded Saab Captain provided their seniority is high enough to hold that?
05-04-2013 | 09:24 AM
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From: SF34 FO
Hmmm that's odd. I heard differently from a certain member of the training department now at JB. Program supposedly exists and is extremely abbreviated. Minimal ground instruction and only a couple sim sesssions before you take your checkride and are out on the line. Makes you wonder what's fact and what's fiction at this place.
05-04-2013 | 09:56 AM
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From: Gear Handle supervisor
The program supposedly is laid out, but it has no FAA approval, so were still here almost a yr later. Our saab instructor is back, so theres a knowledgable instructor to lead it. At least those FOs are collecting their bypass captain pay. Same issue with the ATP program for FOs no plan for that except for the rumor of using All ATPs for it, not the most convenient route I think for positive learning going to a Seminole to do it.
05-04-2013 | 04:26 PM
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The program supposedly is laid out, but it has no FAA approval, so were still here almost a yr later. Our saab instructor is back, so theres a knowledgable instructor to lead it. At least those FOs are collecting their bypass captain pay. Same issue with the ATP program for FOs no plan for that except for the rumor of using All ATPs for it, not the most convenient route I think for positive learning going to a Seminole to do it.
05-04-2013 | 05:45 PM
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From: Gear Handle supervisor
The program supposedly is laid out, but it has no FAA approval, so were still here almost a yr later. Our saab instructor is back, so theres a knowledgable instructor to lead it. At least those FOs are collecting their bypass captain pay. Same issue with the ATP program for FOs no plan for that except for the rumor of using All ATPs for it, not the most convenient route I think for positive learning going to a Seminole to do it.
05-04-2013 | 06:07 PM
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