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02-06-2014 | 06:41 PM
#5331
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2009
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How's that upgrade coming at Horizon? Under a decade of wait time yet? SKW doesn't have Brasilia bases I'm interested in, and their new rates aren't enough to convince me to move out to the Cereal State and start over at the bottom of the list again. We are looking at raises of 10% for FOs and 5% for CAs. Not great, but better than it was before. Everyone is also now on the scale that used to be the Saab. No more 1900/Saab Apartheid on pay rates. Since the 1900 is likely to be gone soon anyway, kinda moot, but still an improvement. Starting pay for Silver as of ratification will be $26.75, soon to be $27.82 in May, and you don't have to be based in California. Combine that with the existing $6000 new-hire bonus and the new $6000 retention bonus for all of us who missed out on the new-hire bonus, and it's not a bad deal. Upgrade time here is currently looking at less than 3 years after the SSB gets sorted out. Yes, the reserve rules suck. I'm going to have to live through them when I upgrade. It's doable if you live in base, impossible if you commute. Take it or leave it, as you did.
Everyone will have to make their own choice in this. I'm sure the reserve rules will be the big topic of conversation on the call tomorrow. If you have questions, I'm sure the ExCo guys will have answers for you.
Everyone will have to make their own choice in this. I'm sure the reserve rules will be the big topic of conversation on the call tomorrow. If you have questions, I'm sure the ExCo guys will have answers for you.
It is great if you live in base, say it Fll, robin calls and says hello I have a deadhead to IAD and you can sit rsv there for 18 days. Day 17 comes and you are called to do a three day, two of those days are LDO and they send you home the night of the 20th day. How would it be great living in base? How would you pack for a 20 day trip with a huge unknown? Will there be a washing machine? How much extra are you paying for that? You can't pack any food to last 20 days. To top it all off yes you are senior say top 40% after all the new fo's leave because of the new rsv rules you fall to 55% now your back to the right seat more people leave, they shutdown Cle and retreat to Florida now your bottom 20% on rsv fo until they close the doors. Now you head to sky west and tony is your captain.
You have to look at the bigger picture, we need people to have a good life below us so we can stay senior.
(All names are purely fictional and stories are purely fictional and not meant to represent any real beings or happenings...)
02-06-2014 | 07:43 PM
#5333
Saab Saab Phooey!
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Set Hundo
All airline employees everywhere know that if a "problem" (30 hours off) has to be solved by an airline, it will frequently be solved in the least employee-friendly manner possible. Expect long stays in your least desirable stations.
02-06-2014 | 08:12 PM
#5335
Respek
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,915
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Exactly which is why these guys need to vote this nonsense down ASAP.
02-06-2014 | 08:43 PM
#5336
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 79
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From: Back on Reserve
Silver Airways
Here's the thing... Silver hires a pilot. Said pilot will receive a reserve line out of training. Reserve line will be 18 days straight. Said pilot leaves Silver for greener pastures.
02-06-2014 | 09:10 PM
#5337
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 31
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From: SF-340 FO
Can this reserve thing be changed before its voted on ? The rest of the changes aren't bad but the 18 in a row negates everything. Too bad I'm going to miss the call tomorrow. Hard for me to believe anyone but top 50 or so guys going for this.
02-06-2014 | 09:17 PM
#5338
Scary...Scary...
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,606
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
No more >70.5@150% for reserves?
Those would have to go as well.
The 2:00 am for LDO needs to go as well, you're no longer able to abuse midnight since we are no longer outstation based. There's no real reason to remove it. The problem has been solved.
02-07-2014 | 05:05 AM
#5339
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 840
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From: Reclining
You guys know how this works, don't ya?!? You ALWAYS vote the first TA down!! Management all but expects it. They will sweeten the pot a little for the round two. If you vote in the first one they throw at you, management will know that you are a bunch of pansies!!
02-07-2014 | 05:52 AM
#5340
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 339
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From: E-175 CA
Now that I've had a chance to sleep on it, I'm a solid NO. I've been hoping other airlines vote NO on their deals lately, WE have mgmt. by the balls. They are chasing us away with these shenanigans, and if they have any brains at all, they'll come back and sweeten the deal. Look at Eagle, hasn't even made it out to the pilots for a vote yet and mgmt. is already coming back with better offers.
Vote YES and we continue to chase away good pilots and eventually shut down. Vote NO and we have the chance to see something worth voting YES on. Either way, keep your resumes current, kids.
Conference call to start in 10 minutes...this should be entertaining!
Vote YES and we continue to chase away good pilots and eventually shut down. Vote NO and we have the chance to see something worth voting YES on. Either way, keep your resumes current, kids.
Conference call to start in 10 minutes...this should be entertaining!
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