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09-08-2020, 08:54 AM

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Passenger Occupancy of a Pilot Seat

Hi everyone, I am trying to find some info on if a pilot from another airline were to ride on my company's aircraft in a jumpseat behind the crew seats. (We fly cargo Beech 1900's under Part 135) Does this classify the flight as a passenger flight and thus subject to passenger flight rules? Or since the jumpseater is a qualified pilot do they become an additional crew member? Only thing I can find on this is 135.113 but that only references a passenger seat configuration and occupying a pilot seat. Neither of those would apply to us. Thanks for the help!

09-08-2020, 11:21 AM

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Recommend asking your CP this “hypothetical scenario”. If extra pilot is not trained on your company procedures, this could pose an issue for you and the company.

09-08-2020, 12:35 PM

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Just to clarify, this would be for reciprocal jumpseating. Not trying to sneak friends onboard or anything. We would have a jumpseater program in our manual and approval. Just trying to figure out how to go about it from a cargo airline standpoint since all I can find is passenger ops info.

Thanks again!

09-08-2020, 12:46 PM

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Recommend asking your CP this “hypothetical scenario”. If extra pilot is not trained on your company procedures, this could pose an issue for you and the company.

I get the impression they are trying to figure out how to carry employees from another company legally. I don’t know what ops specs are out there for this? I think it depends what type of operation they have listed in A001. If it’s on demand cargo only, then might need to start with a change there. Initially, CFR135.85 spells out who you can bring along. Operators can have crew from other airlines in the jump seat, without knowing the company procedures. So I don’t think that’s an issue. Just have to figure out if it becomes a passenger ops. Then you might need SIC or Autopilot in place of an SIC

09-08-2020, 01:35 PM

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^^^ I would hope that the OP’s Chief Pilot would know alot more about the company’s OpSpecs than the OP. If were talking about reciprocal JS, there is an OpSpec for CASS.

09-08-2020, 01:48 PM

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^^^ I would hope that the OP’s Chief Pilot would know alot more about the company’s OpSpecs than the OP. If were talking about reciprocal JS, there is an OpSpec for CASS.

Yeah I am seeing OpSpec A348 as a CASS OpSpec but when I look in the 8900 A348 is missing. From my experience the jumpseater would count as an additional crewmember and a jumpseat isn't a passenger configuaration (as far as I know) thus exempt from an autopilot or SIC requirement but I can't find anything definitive on that.

09-08-2020, 02:00 PM

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Should be no problem, an additional crew member on the jump seat is usually considered additional safety, with airline ID and current FAA physical he or she should be good.
(different from a paying pax, big difference)

09-08-2020, 05:26 PM

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When I worked for Key Lime Air we were CASS and had reciprocal agreements with a few different carriers. I had pilots from a few other carriers on my Jumpseat a few times.

09-08-2020, 05:32 PM

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^^ This is advice from a Part 121 perspective, correct? The OP is asking about 135. The aircraft in question (BE-1900) does not have a “jumpseat” in the context of 121.581. The BE-1900 is not a transport category aircraft and no FSB Report exists therefore no “jumpseat” has been evaluated. The 1900, type certificated for (1) pilot, may have a right hand pilot seat installed however. One question that the OP should ask his CP is, Would said company’s insurance Policy cover the company in the event of an accident where the “extra occupant” was present?