CASW: Central Air Southwest
12-06-2012, 07:45 PM
#41
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Their SIC time is legit.... everyone needs to look past the physical regulations and see what is actually in their GOM. The GOM super seeds the actual regs. Pay to play sucks but it's great time building. In fact, CASW doesn't have OpSpec A015 (auto pilot in lieu) and you become an actual paid employee if you fly 444CB on pax trips. Basically the SIC program helps low time pilots get from A to B in their career.
Company is a lot better than most typical 135 outfits. AT, while wearing many hats, provides really good training (especially for the type of plane you actually fly). Some of the better training I've seen relatively speaking of course. JT is a great guy; super nice.
The new chief pilot (knows his stuff and let's you know that he knows it if you get what I mean) used to be a check airman. The new JXN base is probably for him. Not that fun to fly with but he can fly really well.
Keep it in perspective..... it's a night cargo 135 operation but its actually not that bad. A lot better then most. Hard flying when the weather sucks though.
As far as being a VFR PIC there, forget it. They will not use VFR PICs even if its clear and a billion even though they say "you could" while in training.
Company is a lot better than most typical 135 outfits. AT, while wearing many hats, provides really good training (especially for the type of plane you actually fly). Some of the better training I've seen relatively speaking of course. JT is a great guy; super nice.
The new chief pilot (knows his stuff and let's you know that he knows it if you get what I mean) used to be a check airman. The new JXN base is probably for him. Not that fun to fly with but he can fly really well.
Keep it in perspective..... it's a night cargo 135 operation but its actually not that bad. A lot better then most. Hard flying when the weather sucks though.
As far as being a VFR PIC there, forget it. They will not use VFR PICs even if its clear and a billion even though they say "you could" while in training.
Last edited by NCR757dxr; 12-06-2012 at 08:14 PM.
12-06-2012, 09:54 PM
#42
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35K is not top out pay, many of us make more than 40K per year. It all depends on your route.
Originally Posted by Cbusbased
I normally meet up with some of their pilots in the middle of the night in Ohio. Their most senior pilot is topped out in pay at $35K. Their AC50s are pretty old, and from what i've been told by some of their pilots, their mx is kinda shady. They do have TKS systems and no radar; only a G396 w/Nexrad. I believe they have around 30 planes. Their schedule is not bad though. Those guys might only have a 3 hr run up to 10 hrs. Paid hourly. Also not sure about how they're doing financially as I do know their credit cards were getting declined for fuel.
12-08-2012, 05:13 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by bliddel
My friend, Brian Quinn, used to be director of flight training for this company, until about 2005. I wish he still worked there, and so do they. Brian was killed 11/6/2012 in a FedEx Feeder flight - turbine seizure which obliterated his visibility with oil. He landed in a field OK, but rolled into a tree he surely could not see.
Anyway, I understand if you work there long enough, they give you a vanity tail number. Brian's tail number was 23BQ. Andrew pledged to keep that tail number as a memorial to Brian.
Anyway, I understand if you work there long enough, they give you a vanity tail number. Brian's tail number was 23BQ. Andrew pledged to keep that tail number as a memorial to Brian.
12-09-2012, 06:18 AM
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12-09-2012, 03:17 PM
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I've heard secondhand stories of airlines refusing to recognize their SIC time, without a letter from a fsdo saying why it's valid. The person presented documentation from the company, to no avail.
YMMV.
YMMV.
12-10-2012, 12:43 AM
#48
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A copy of the FSDO letter should work. The letter clearly authorizes and validates the SIC time in addition to having it in the GOM. No SIC should pay a cent until a copy of that letter is in their hands.
Any hiring board that decides to disregard the FAA are a bunch of idiots. I'd rather hire a pilot that has flown the line as an SIC with CASW for 300-400 hours over a CFI who has 1250 hours of dual given flying around the pattern. Flame away but it only makes sense from a practical point....
Any hiring board that decides to disregard the FAA are a bunch of idiots. I'd rather hire a pilot that has flown the line as an SIC with CASW for 300-400 hours over a CFI who has 1250 hours of dual given flying around the pattern. Flame away but it only makes sense from a practical point....
12-10-2012, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by osuav8r
Man, that's too bad. I hadn't heard about this. He did my IOE when I got hired there back in the day. First Murray and now Brian......sad. We weren't great friends or anything, but it's still weird to read that he died in a plane crash. Didn't he have like 10,000 hours in the Commander or something?
- Bruce
12-10-2012, 02:53 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by NCR757dxr
A copy of the FSDO letter should work. The letter clearly authorizes and validates the SIC time in addition to having it in the GOM. No SIC should pay a cent.
Any hiring board that decides to disregard the FAA are a bunch of idiots. I'd rather hire a pilot that has flown the line as an SIC with CASW for 300-400 hours over a CFI who has 1250 hours of dual given flying around the pattern. Flame away but it only makes sense from a practical point....
Any hiring board that decides to disregard the FAA are a bunch of idiots. I'd rather hire a pilot that has flown the line as an SIC with CASW for 300-400 hours over a CFI who has 1250 hours of dual given flying around the pattern. Flame away but it only makes sense from a practical point....
Maybe issue the airline hiring boards have is not so much the legality of the time rather the fact that it is pay to play.
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