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Old 01-04-2019, 06:52 PM   #231  
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I have a phone interview with them next week. Should I accept the job offer?
FO or CA?
The former is starvation wages, the latter comes out to 60-70K
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How is this legal?
135.265(a)(5)?
135.267(c)(2)(ii)

two pilot crew? idk about the unscheduled part
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:09 PM   #233  
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How is this legal?
135.265(a)(5)?
Dera, what you are not reading correctly is that he said duty time, not flight time. I know for a fact that they pay duty time, not flight time. Plus, the operative word is scheduled daily flight time. Meaning a dayís flight time can go over 8 hours, as long as the compensatory minimum rest is complied with. It is all in the opspecs of the operator.
With duty time pay, the actual CA wage was about 8-10% higher than the wage I earned at BTQ.
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No, SAE pays only for flight time.


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Old 01-04-2019, 08:31 PM   #235  
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Dera, what you are not reading correctly is that he said duty time, not flight time. I know for a fact that they pay duty time, not flight time. Plus, the operative word is scheduled daily flight time. Meaning a day’s flight time can go over 8 hours, as long as the compensatory minimum rest is complied with. It is all in the opspecs of the operator.
With duty time pay, the actual CA wage was about 8-10% higher than the wage I earned at BTQ.
He didn't say duty time...
The way I read that post was 8 legs totaling 8.2 hours flight time, not 8.2 hours duty time. He said 6 legs is 5.8 hours flight, 8 hours duty. I can't see how 2 more legs would be .2 hours more duty?

And no, you can't schedule 8+ hours of flight time, but you can go over it for unforeseen circumstances. This is the legal to start, legal to finish "concept". If the crews routinely hit 8.2 hours flight time, that's illegal. If he meant duty time, then it's all good, but it wasn't obvious from his post.

It's not in the opspecs, it's in 135.265.
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135.267(c)(2)(ii)

two pilot crew? idk about the unscheduled part
.267 is unscheduled ops. I'm pretty sure SAE is scheduled, so 135.265.
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FO or CA?
The former is starvation wages, the latter comes out to 60-70K
Itís for the FO position
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Schedule on the weekdays is usually six legs for the morning crew and six legs for the afternoon crew. Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc). A few of the stations field one crew per day on weekdays and they generally fly 8 legs equaling 8.2 hours. On the weekends, at all stations, one crew will fly 8 legs that is also equivalent to 8.2 hours. Morning shift usually comes in around 4:30 am and the afternoon crew at 13:00 on weekdays. On weekends, the one crew will come in around 7:00 am.
Thank you for responding. How is that all broken up during a typical month? I'm assuming it's not 5 on-2 off since there is weekend flying.
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Thank you for responding. How is that all broken up during a typical month? I'm assuming it's not 5 on-2 off since there is weekend flying.
You might work three to five days followed by two to four days off. Then TDY at another base for a couple of days, then a day off, followed by a four day shift. The schedule is written for coverage and there's no real pattern. It comes out at the end of each month and although they may ask you to work extra shifts, they'll never mandate it.
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Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc)



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He didn't say duty time...
The way I read that post was 8 legs totaling 8.2 hours flight time, not 8.2 hours duty time. He said 6 legs is 5.8 hours flight, 8 hours duty. I can't see how 2 more legs would be .2 hours more duty?

And no, you can't schedule 8+ hours of flight time, but you can go over it for unforeseen circumstances. This is the legal to start, legal to finish "concept". If the crews routinely hit 8.2 hours flight time, that's illegal. If he meant duty time, then it's all good, but it wasn't obvious from his post.

It's not in the opspecs, it's in 135.265.
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