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Old 01-05-2019, 03:09 PM   #231  
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Thank you for responding. How is that all broken up during a typical month? I'm assuming it's not 5 on-2 off since there is weekend flying.
You might work three to five days followed by two to four days off. Then TDY at another base for a couple of days, then a day off, followed by a four day shift. The schedule is written for coverage and there's no real pattern. It comes out at the end of each month and although they may ask you to work extra shifts, they'll never mandate it.
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Old 01-05-2019, 05:28 PM   #232  
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Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc)



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He didn't say duty time...
The way I read that post was 8 legs totaling 8.2 hours flight time, not 8.2 hours duty time. He said 6 legs is 5.8 hours flight, 8 hours duty. I can't see how 2 more legs would be .2 hours more duty?

And no, you can't schedule 8+ hours of flight time, but you can go over it for unforeseen circumstances. This is the legal to start, legal to finish "concept". If the crews routinely hit 8.2 hours flight time, that's illegal. If he meant duty time, then it's all good, but it wasn't obvious from his post.

It's not in the opspecs, it's in 135.265.
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Old 01-05-2019, 08:09 PM   #233  
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How is this legal?
135.265(a)(5)?
On a weekend, our duty day is approximately 12 hours. Our scheduled “block time” is 8.2 hours. That’s startup to shutdown and encompasses taxiing, deicing, holding short, etc. Block time is what we log in our log books. The scheduled “flight time” on the same day is usually around 7.5. We keep track of both flight time and block time in the aircraft logbooks and the company will occasionally double check it.

Hope that clarifies a bit.

ANAS20077, good luck in the interview next week. I can’t tell you if you should take the job or not. That really depends on what your other options are and how willing you are to relocate or commute. I will add that while I enjoyed instructing, I’ve enjoyed this more and the experience so far has been great.

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Old 01-05-2019, 09:07 PM   #234  
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Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc)
Yes. And 8 legs for 8.2 hours on weekends which was what I was commenting on.
And his comment clarified it. They just use the good old FAA busted "flight time vs block time" "loophole".
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On a weekend, our duty day is approximately 12 hours. Our scheduled “block time” is 8.2 hours. That’s startup to shutdown and encompasses taxiing, deicing, holding short, etc. Block time is what we log in our log books. The scheduled “flight time” on the same day is usually around 7.5. We keep track of both flight time and block time in the aircraft logbooks and the company will occasionally double check it.

Hope that clarifies a bit.
Err wtf?
You cannot legally schedule 8.2 hours of flight time (and yes, that includes taxiing etc) in 135 scheduled operations.
You need to check what "flight time" means in the FARs.
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I have a phone interview with them next week. Should I accept the job offer?
My two cents. Flying up to 120 hours a month (probably averaging almost close to 100 hours a month if you work
hard) in a two pilot, scheduled 135 airline operations? Flying in the NE corridor in IFR operations (most of where Southern operations takes place) into high density airports. Why wouldn’t you want his job?

I’m a 32 year United 757/767 Captain who mentors lots of pilots and have my own simulator business. It’s all about a seniority number at a legacy carrier. Get hired as fast as you can, your whole career depends on that seniority number. Get your time ASAP, get to a Regional at 1500 hours. Get to a Legacy (AA, DAL, UAL, SWA, Fedex or UPS) or next tier low cost carriers (JetBlue, Spirit, Alaska, Hawian, Frontier or Allegiant) as fast as you can.

Can you build time as fast flight instructing, flying in a PC-12 for a fractional? If you can’t, yes take a job at Southern in a New York second.
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My two cents. Flying up to 120 hours a month (probably averaging almost close to 100 hours a month if you work
hard) in a two pilot, scheduled 135 airline operations? Flying in the NE corridor in IFR operations (most of where Southern operations takes place) into high density airports. Why wouldn’t you want his job?

I’m a 32 year United 757/767 Captain who mentors lots of pilots and have my own simulator business. It’s all about a seniority number at a legacy carrier. Get hired as fast as you can, your whole career depends on that seniority number. Get your time ASAP, get to a Regional at 1500 hours. Get to a Legacy (AA, DAL, UAL, SWA, Fedex or UPS) or next tier low cost carriers (JetBlue, Spirit, Alaska, Hawian, Frontier or Allegiant) as fast as you can.

Can you build time as fast flight instructing, flying in a PC-12 for a fractional? If you can’t, yes take a job at Southern in a New York second.
Thanks for advise)
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On a weekend, our duty day is approximately 12 hours. Our scheduled “block time” is 8.2 hours. That’s startup to shutdown and encompasses taxiing, deicing, holding short, etc. Block time is what we log in our log books. The scheduled “flight time” on the same day is usually around 7.5. We keep track of both flight time and block time in the aircraft logbooks and the company will occasionally double check it.

Hope that clarifies a bit.

ANAS20077, good luck in the interview next week. I can’t tell you if you should take the job or not. That really depends on what your other options are and how willing you are to relocate or commute. I will add that while I enjoyed instructing, I’ve enjoyed this more and the experience so far has been great.
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Is the only way to apply for a FO position through the Mesa program? I couldn’t find any info on who to contact regarding a first officer position on their website.
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My two cents. Flying up to 120 hours a month (probably averaging almost close to 100 hours a month if you work
hard) in a two pilot, scheduled 135 airline operations? Flying in the NE corridor in IFR operations (most of where Southern operations takes place) into high density airports. Why wouldn’t you want his job?

I’m a 32 year United 757/767 Captain who mentors lots of pilots and have my own simulator business. It’s all about a seniority number at a legacy carrier. Get hired as fast as you can, your whole career depends on that seniority number. Get your time ASAP, get to a Regional at 1500 hours. Get to a Legacy (AA, DAL, UAL, SWA, Fedex or UPS) or next tier low cost carriers (JetBlue, Spirit, Alaska, Hawian, Frontier or Allegiant) as fast as you can.

Can you build time as fast flight instructing, flying in a PC-12 for a fractional? If you can’t, yes take a job at Southern in a New York second.
How did it go? Did you take it?
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