Southern Airways Express
01-04-2019, 06:09 PM
#233
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 148
Originally Posted by dera
How is this legal?
135.265(a)(5)?
135.265(a)(5)?
With duty time pay, the actual CA wage was about 8-10% higher than the wage I earned at BTQ.
01-04-2019, 07:31 PM
#235
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,457
Originally Posted by Flaps8posrate
Dera, what you are not reading correctly is that he said duty time, not flight time. I know for a fact that they pay duty time, not flight time. Plus, the operative word is scheduled daily flight time. Meaning a day’s flight time can go over 8 hours, as long as the compensatory minimum rest is complied with. It is all in the opspecs of the operator.
With duty time pay, the actual CA wage was about 8-10% higher than the wage I earned at BTQ.
With duty time pay, the actual CA wage was about 8-10% higher than the wage I earned at BTQ.
The way I read that post was 8 legs totaling 8.2 hours flight time, not 8.2 hours duty time. He said 6 legs is 5.8 hours flight, 8 hours duty. I can't see how 2 more legs would be .2 hours more duty?
And no, you can't schedule 8+ hours of flight time, but you can go over it for unforeseen circumstances. This is the legal to start, legal to finish "concept". If the crews routinely hit 8.2 hours flight time, that's illegal. If he meant duty time, then it's all good, but it wasn't obvious from his post.
It's not in the opspecs, it's in 135.265.
01-05-2019, 05:39 AM
#238
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 33
Originally Posted by FuryfromtheSky
Schedule on the weekdays is usually six legs for the morning crew and six legs for the afternoon crew. Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc). A few of the stations field one crew per day on weekdays and they generally fly 8 legs equaling 8.2 hours. On the weekends, at all stations, one crew will fly 8 legs that is also equivalent to 8.2 hours. Morning shift usually comes in around 4:30 am and the afternoon crew at 13:00 on weekdays. On weekends, the one crew will come in around 7:00 am.
01-05-2019, 03:09 PM
#239
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by FlyinLion
Thank you for responding. How is that all broken up during a typical month? I'm assuming it's not 5 on-2 off since there is weekend flying.
01-05-2019, 05:28 PM
#240
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 148
To quote:
Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc)
Six legs of flying will generally equal 5.8 hours of flight time and 8 hours total (supervising fueling, waiting for passengers, preflight, etc)
Originally Posted by dera
He didn't say duty time...
The way I read that post was 8 legs totaling 8.2 hours flight time, not 8.2 hours duty time. He said 6 legs is 5.8 hours flight, 8 hours duty. I can't see how 2 more legs would be .2 hours more duty?
And no, you can't schedule 8+ hours of flight time, but you can go over it for unforeseen circumstances. This is the legal to start, legal to finish "concept". If the crews routinely hit 8.2 hours flight time, that's illegal. If he meant duty time, then it's all good, but it wasn't obvious from his post.
It's not in the opspecs, it's in 135.265.
The way I read that post was 8 legs totaling 8.2 hours flight time, not 8.2 hours duty time. He said 6 legs is 5.8 hours flight, 8 hours duty. I can't see how 2 more legs would be .2 hours more duty?
And no, you can't schedule 8+ hours of flight time, but you can go over it for unforeseen circumstances. This is the legal to start, legal to finish "concept". If the crews routinely hit 8.2 hours flight time, that's illegal. If he meant duty time, then it's all good, but it wasn't obvious from his post.
It's not in the opspecs, it's in 135.265.
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