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Flaps8posrate 03-24-2019 05:41 AM

In 135 and 121 operations, Opspecs rule, as they are approved by the FAA. Opspecs are controlling for issues such as allowing for SIC to log time. That is irrespective of whether or not the aircraft is certified for one or two pilots. Their Opspecs also allow single pilot with an operable autopilot.

BTQ has, apparently, reacted to their turnover by increasing the pain for FOs to leave early, hence the reported higher and longer contract amount. The PIC contract (12 months) prorates after 6 months. I would assume the FO contract prorates similarly.


Originally Posted by Lolo30 (Post 2788633)
Does anyone that was recently hired by boutique air as a SIC know what the current training contracts are? Older posts say 10K for 1yr but recent post guys are saying 14k for 2 years? And if that’s true does it prorate down after a certain amount of time?


colonials13 03-24-2019 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Flaps8posrate (Post 2788637)
In 135 and 121 operations, Opspecs rule, as they are approved by the FAA. Opspecs are controlling for issues such as allowing for SIC to log time. That is irrespective of whether or not the aircraft is certified for one or two pilots. Their Opspecs also allow single pilot with an operable autopilot.

BTQ has, apparently, reacted to their turnover by increasing the pain for FOs to leave early, hence the reported higher and longer contract amount. The PIC contract (12 months) prorates after 6 months. I would assume the FO contract prorates similarly.

2 year/$14,000 for SICs is correct. After six months it goes down by $500 a month.

BravoPapa 03-24-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 2788738)
2 year/$14,000 for SICs is correct. After six months it goes down by $500 a month.

What happens if you were to upgrade to Captain in a year? That one is fulfilled and you sign the 1 year for Captain?

dera 03-24-2019 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Flaps8posrate (Post 2788637)
In 135 and 121 operations, Opspecs rule, as they are approved by the FAA. Opspecs are controlling for issues such as allowing for SIC to log time. That is irrespective of whether or not the aircraft is certified for one or two pilots. Their Opspecs also allow single pilot with an operable autopilot.

BTQ has, apparently, reacted to their turnover by increasing the pain for FOs to leave early, hence the reported higher and longer contract amount. The PIC contract (12 months) prorates after 6 months. I would assume the FO contract prorates similarly.

But prior to PDP, there was no "opspec" to require an SIC in single pilot planes.

Flaps8posrate 03-24-2019 10:56 AM

So many posts have beat this dead horse subject to smithereens, Why bother?


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2788841)
But prior to PDP, there was no "opspec" to require an SIC in single pilot planes.


dera 03-24-2019 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Flaps8posrate (Post 2788872)
So many posts have beat this dead horse subject to smithereens, Why bother?

Yes, and people still don't understand what they are talking about. There was no "opspec" before the PDP.
GOMs may say that, but not Opspecs.

majorpilot 03-24-2019 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Flaps8posrate (Post 2788872)
So many posts have beat this dead horse subject to smithereens, Why bother?



What’s sad is how instead of focusing on making their shop a great place one wouldn’t want to leave, or incentivizing some to at least extend their stays, companies repeatedly address turnover punitively, reaching for the stick. It doesn’t work...when will they learn?

GearDwn 03-24-2019 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 2788892)
What’s sad is how instead of focusing on making their shop a great place one wouldn’t want to leave, or incentivizing some to at least extend their stays, companies repeatedly address turnover punitively, reaching for the stick. It doesn’t work...when will they learn?



Great comments. Boutique is not a bad place overall; however, they certainly don’t provide any incentive to stay. Very few people complete their contract and everyone I talk to is looking for their next job. Pretty sad that they aren’t motivated to retain the many that would stick around! Management is ineffective to say the least.


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colonials13 03-24-2019 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2788745)
What happens if you were to upgrade to Captain in a year? That one is fulfilled and you sign the 1 year for Captain?

Nope. If you joined at ~500 hours you continue under the same contract you already signed.

Erj135dude 03-25-2019 12:09 PM

Hey guys. How easy is to get DEN out of training? (PIC).
Any junior bases right now, or they all need captains.


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