Not ATP eligible... what to do
#12
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 25
Says the guy who is probably still repaying student loans 🤔. I'm sure this ambitious kid is well aware of the positives and negatives of having a bachelors, get off the horse. How many people think the majors will still require a BA if the shortage ever hits there? Those loans are going to sting then aren't they now..
#14
Hello all,
I currently have the following,
1200 TT
100 Multi Engine
350 Tailwheel
CFI/CFII/MEI
19 years old, turning 20 in 2 months.
Since I won't be eligible for an ATP, what are some employers who will hire me with CFI, and banner tow experience. Looking to build more multi engine time, and turbine if possible.
Thanks
I currently have the following,
1200 TT
100 Multi Engine
350 Tailwheel
CFI/CFII/MEI
19 years old, turning 20 in 2 months.
Since I won't be eligible for an ATP, what are some employers who will hire me with CFI, and banner tow experience. Looking to build more multi engine time, and turbine if possible.
Thanks
Bz
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 736
Hello all,
I currently have the following,
1200 TT
100 Multi Engine
350 Tailwheel
CFI/CFII/MEI
19 years old, turning 20 in 2 months.
Since I won't be eligible for an ATP, what are some employers who will hire me with CFI, and banner tow experience. Looking to build more multi engine time, and turbine if possible.
Thanks
I currently have the following,
1200 TT
100 Multi Engine
350 Tailwheel
CFI/CFII/MEI
19 years old, turning 20 in 2 months.
Since I won't be eligible for an ATP, what are some employers who will hire me with CFI, and banner tow experience. Looking to build more multi engine time, and turbine if possible.
Thanks
My two cents. Best of luck and more power to you for your early start. I got hired by a regional at 19 flying twin otters and was very lucky ten months later to check out on my airlines only jet - F-28 we had (first RJ). I got hired by a major at age 21 and 30 years later I'm a fairly senior 757/767 CA at a legacy.
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 194
Hello all,
I currently have the following,
1200 TT
100 Multi Engine
350 Tailwheel
CFI/CFII/MEI
19 years old, turning 20 in 2 months.
Since I won't be eligible for an ATP, what are some employers who will hire me with CFI, and banner tow experience. Looking to build more multi engine time, and turbine if possible.
Thanks
I currently have the following,
1200 TT
100 Multi Engine
350 Tailwheel
CFI/CFII/MEI
19 years old, turning 20 in 2 months.
Since I won't be eligible for an ATP, what are some employers who will hire me with CFI, and banner tow experience. Looking to build more multi engine time, and turbine if possible.
Thanks
#17
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 8
Says the guy who is probably still repaying student loans 🤔. I'm sure this ambitious kid is well aware of the positives and negatives of having a bachelors, get off the horse. How many people think the majors will still require a BA if the shortage ever hits there? Those loans are going to sting then aren't they now..
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 736
Another consideration is getting some solid non glass experience to formulate solid raw instrument flying time. That's something to seriously consider and many under estimate. Those raised in the glass era sometimes referred to as children of the magenta line are really shorting themselves on a solid instrument flying background.
As I mentioned, I flew for a old school regional airline in the 80's. We flew DC-6 Twin Otters in the WX into LGA, JFK, PHL, DCA and EWR. We didn't have autopilots, DME or even an HSI. The raw instrument hand flying background in high density airline environment, yielded flight experience that was invaluable. Back then every major that was hiring, hired our pilots (almost 100% in a year).
Couple additional points. Mountain Air Cargo (according to APC) pays around 20K a year less then Southerm Air Express. It's single pilot and if your looking for an airline career, I think the two pilot cockpit experience flying a regional airline schedule will be more beneficial.
Great Lakes would also be good, hand flying a 1900 without an autopilot is also great experience. However you'd be stuck in the right seat (very low pay) and I don't think you'll be able to upgrade without a full ATP and be 23.
Given the option of right seat 1900 airline experience or left seat Caravan airline experience, I think the Captain time is better but at the very least as good experience as the right seat in the 1900. Again at Southern you'll make 60K plus a respectable four on four off schedule not flying in the middle of the night.
Any where you choose to go, with your age and the impending legacy airline pilot shortage on top of the current regional shortage your in great shape. Enjoy the ride!
I hand fly more then most pilots I fly with. Typically I hand fly up to the RVSM altitudes and hand fly all approaches not mandated to coupled to autopilot. Flying almost all east coast to Europe round trips I'm averaging five or six round trips a month yielding only five or six landings a month. I foundly look back at my hand flying twin otter days. However, I don't miss the pay nor working my tail off.
#19
The man was asking for advice and you got abrasive. Grab a clue RevBallin.
#20
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 79
Lol. Wow, you're a moron. First off, I have no loans. My dad is a L-AAL 787 captain (only 55, he will retire top twenty) and my mom is a L-UAL 767 captain (senior enough to hold the 787). If they were not going on their sixth year in divorce court, our household income would be what, well over 750K in ordinary W-2 income not including investments? Hmmm. So, no loans for me, parents handled that in cash. However, to be perfectly honest, I am possibly a bit discruntled that my parents told me that the best way to get to the legacies was to go and get my bachelor's degree from 18 - 22 in a non-aviation related field, which has screwed me over from competing with kids like the OP who have no life experience in anything except for aviation. So, I do vent and lash out at these folks from time to time. It's almost like they cheated. Oh, well, they went to college from their parents' basement while I was in the most prestigious fraternity at my university gaining real-world life experience and learning about things that I never would have studied from my parents' basement. I soloed on the day of my sixteenth birthday, and got my license on the day of my seventeenth birthday, so I'm not really too concerned regardless. It just isn't fun competing with folks like OP. Honest enough for you? Tool.
Don't concern yourself with the path that anyone else takes to get to where they are. Focus on your path. So what if the OP had a few (or many) "lucky" breaks. Long ago I stopped doing that, and found my own "lucky" breaks just waiting for me.
Further, if you think that being in the "most prestigious fraternity" at a university is "gaining real-world experience," you've still got a lot to learn. Not that the experience is meaningless, but there is still a huge world beyond a frat.
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