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Old 01-17-2019, 07:52 AM
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If anyone would like current info on the Fed positions feel free to send me a PM. Cannot speak for the BLM, but the FS is very short on qualified pilots.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:18 AM
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If anyone would like current info on the Fed positions feel free to send me a PM. Cannot speak for the BLM, but the FS is very short on qualified pilots.
You're talking about leads and smoke jump pilots, still with the age 37 cutoff for primary firefighter?
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:43 PM
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Yes I am. Along with NIROPS, Forest Health Protection, Backcountry Inspection, Air Attack, AFUE, and for the one in a million they deem qualified, the Beavers in Ely.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:33 PM
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Air attack platforms are contractor positions (unless you're referring to federal ASM, or CDF/CalFire Dyncorp seats); are you posting about a shortage of federal employees, or pilots working seasonally for contractors?

There isn't a contractor shortage, but the DoA and USFS really moved to screw the operators recently by going to one year contracting, and DoI really screwed over the SEAT operators the last few years by cancelling contracts.
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Old 01-18-2019, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by N6937N View Post
If anyone would like current info on the Fed positions feel free to send me a PM. Cannot speak for the BLM, but the FS is very short on qualified pilots.
Sent you a PM
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:09 AM
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John, I understand you have prior experience in this segment of the industry. I am posting as a current Agency pilot, about what the agency I work for, the US Forest Service, needs and the missions it performs. Yes, 99% of the ATGS missions are flown by contractors (I used to be one) but it is also a mission we perform 'in house.' Also, there is a shortage of contractor pilots; not quite so in the air tanker world, but if anybody is interested in getting a foot in the door with some of the larger air attack contractors send me a PM and I can put you in touch with the right people.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:02 AM
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Itís always been a dream of mine to fly SEATs, if I could fly SEATs in the summer and have some type of charter/corporate gig in the winter. I would probably change my 121 career path.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:43 AM
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John, I understand you have prior experience in this segment of the industry.
A little. Several seasons heavy tankers, several seasons air attack, point to point, fire patrol, six years of fire on the ground, sixteen seasons in SEATs, etc. Eight different operators.

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Also, there is a shortage of contractor pilots; not quite so in the air tanker world, but if anybody is interested in getting a foot in the door with some of the larger air attack contractors send me a PM and I can put you in touch with the right people.
I haven't seen that, but I've heard it. There was a youtube video last year by either a Lead guy or a CDF guy about that, but it was way off base.

CDF has had some vacancies, but it's not for lack of qualified applicants.

The age limit cutoff eliminates some very qualified applicants for the federal jobs, too.

Those who are interested would do well to apply. It can be a long process.

Hopefully the current administration won't screw with this much longer or hose the next season.

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It’s always been a dream of mine to fly SEATs, if I could fly SEATs in the summer and have some type of charter/corporate gig in the winter. I would probably change my 121 career path.
Have you got fire experience or ag experience, and any 802 experience? How much conventional gear time?

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Old 01-19-2019, 04:57 PM
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Can anyone speak as to how much SEAT pilots can expect to fly during a season?
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:13 PM
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Can anyone speak as to how much SEAT pilots can expect to fly during a season?
No, because there's no way to predict that, and with the DoI cancelling exclusive contracts, it's also eliminated any way to know what the minimum number of days are that you can spend in the field.

Put another way, I've had years in which I flew 15 hours and got 15 days in the field, and others in which I flew considerably more. I know individuals who have done close to 300 hours, but a more realistic goal is 100 hours in the season, with anything above that a bonus. In most cases, you have no idea where you'll be send or what will burn, so it's impossible to predict how much you'll fly.

Pay is by the day, plus by the flight hour, plus per hour of extended standby at the base greater than 9 hours, plus per diem, generally speaking.
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