Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe (Post 837258)

MSHunter your out of line and if PM won't jump in and tell you then others should. You wish Peril and anguish on anyone shows just how much you are out of touch with professionalism in this industry. If you had a better national union you would have better pay. Training in any industry is just training. YOur upset because someone found the means to possibly short cut the waiting period. Your argument is the same as West Point or any Service Academy v.s. ROTC. Give me a break and quit thinking of yourself first and do some good in the world of 121. :cool:

Originally Posted by Burlcfii (Post 838581)

i guess what MS wants is for us to just not get a job. MS im not saying PFT is the way to go, but what you don't know is there are no flying jobs out there, and this includes flight instructing jobs. For some of us who are tired of working in non-aviation jobs, and are ready to fly for a living PFT is looking like the only option. When a instructor has over 500 hrs of dual given and sends out resumes to 5 flight schools and recieves no response, that should tell you something. For some people the only option is to wait for the market to change (god knows when that will happen) or PFT weather it be eagle jet, or buying a block in a seneca. If i was to do this (which i dont think i am) it wouldn't be paid by mommy and daddy it would be a @$$ busting loan that took years to pay off. Its obvious you broke into the market when jobs were plentiful, so don't bust on others who took the only option available to them. Anyone who wishes bad on other pilots gives the industry a worst rap than those who PFT.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 839469)

Consider this... If You'Re willing to take out a loan to pay $25,000 for a short cut to SIC time, how will you feel when somebody comes along and takes out a $100,000 loan to get a short cut to PIC time. Just think how much better prepared HE will be than you. So don't get angry.....

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 839474)

Five whole resumes? Some of us sent out dozens... and then hand carried a bunch more to every FBO, flight school, 91 and 135 operator within 2-3 hours drive.

Originally Posted by own nav (Post 840408)

I find it ironic that the first response in alternatives to PFT is flight instructing. During times like these, it's not much more than a pyramid scheme, you've got to sell several others on the dream to make your dream happen. It's the guys at the bottom that get hit the hardest. They're now desperate for work, and there's a ton of them. Most of them feel like they have passed the point of no return, and will make desperate moves to make things happen (beating down the doors of the flight school for a contract instructor position included, I believe some call it "persistence"). Heaven forbid they should buy time instead of selling the next generation on the dream.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 840496)

There's plenty of people out there that want to learn how to fly yet want nothing to do with aviation as a career. I only had one student at my flight school that wanted to be a career pilot... Everybody else was just having fun. Not every school is setup like ATP and ERAU.

Originally Posted by own nav (Post 840862)

If students like these are in such "plentiful" supply, these guys should have no problem finding a job.

Originally Posted by mshunter (Post 840977)

Edit to add: Of all the students I ever instructed, only two were career oriented.