Well I must say, you've done a very good job of steering this thread away from where it was headed. A few things I'd like to point out

#1: SIC time in a Barron/Cheiftain is worthless.

#2: PFT/PFJ does nothing but devalue the people who work in this industry

#3: Paying for a job vs. getting paid for a job; what would you rather have.

FlyJSH said it best(I think it was him), how would you feel if you were furloughed because someone was willing to pay $100k for a PIC slot in one of AmFlights Metro's? You are off on some completely different tangent. So, you go ahead and take that SIC Chieftain time to your next company and tell me what it gets you. Legal and moral are always two completely different thigs BTW. I don't care if their Op Spec allows the logging of SIC time for any of their aircraft. I haven't looked at it, nor do I care to. It's the pricipal of the thing. I don't care what company it's for either. Your still trolling for something. Quit beating around the bush.


Look at the poll results of what your peers think of it.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ha...t-say-you.html

I'll address your statements on Fo's driving down regional wages once you acknowledge that they do get jobs. How can they have an effect on wages if they don't get jobs in the first place?

As far as your poll goes, once again you've lumped them all into one. However, I've seen another poll that separates the cargo FO gigs from the Gulfstream type. Maybe you should look that one up instead of starting a poll with a leading question. That one actually got a lot of responses. You got told you're "beating a dead horse."

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You two just don't get it. And unfortunatly, you never will either. Someday, someone down the line will offer you a job, and find out about the PFT/PFJ in your logbook, and you'll get it then.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/pa...ch-job-il.html

Not only will you gain experince, but you'll earn a paycheck doint it. And, only 350tt required.

You need to learn a little more about OpSpecs. OpSpecs cannot "allow" one to log flight time. 14 CFR 61.51 does that.

61.51 does make an allowance for a pilot, when a required crew-member, to log SIC time. Things like actually acting as SIC of a two pilot airplane, Part 135 Pax carrying IFR operations and safety pilots come to mind. Sitting in the right seat of a single pilot aircraft carrying cargo under Part 135 does not make one a required crew-member.

Log what you want, but the OpSpecs can't change that.

My offer still stands if someone wants to PFT/PFJ. I'll let you sit in the left seat of a jjjjjjjjjjet and push all the buttons you want for the right price.

-mini

The FAA giveth and the FAA taketh away. They're regulations, not the bible, you can add to and take away, sometimes the changes aren't applicable to everyone, thus you have ops specs.

If you click on the link, it will tell you "sorry, job no longer available." Did you notice the date on that thread?

I'm thinking freightdog1369 is right about you. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for a while there, but this is getting ridiculous.

Awwwww, how sweet of you.:rolleyes: The purpose was to show that low time jobs are out there. But I guess you just can't educate some people.

Valiant effort, but you're wasting your time. People either have what it takes to make it on their own in this industry or they don't. Of those that don't, some people simply have the money (or access to it) to buy their way up the ladder. There isn't a single thing either one of us can do about it and you're never going to convince them it's wrong on an internet message board.

It's like ****ing into the wind. No matter what, yer gunna get wet!