ATP King Air 350 Dual Given
08-23-2011 | 09:15 PM
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A waiver to the 2 crew limitation to operate single pilot can be granted if you do the correct training and pass two separate checkrides.
The Citation CJ series airplanes were certified with a minimum of 1 crew.
08-24-2011 | 11:51 AM
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Does the PICs type require a Copilot? About half the typed pilots I have flown the 350 with don't have a single pilot type. Single pilot types cost more money and is something else you may fail. Some pilots refuse them so their employers don't have the option of laying off the copilot. If your required by his license you can log SIC. If not, the ATP must sign your logbook as dual given as previously stated.
08-24-2011 | 02:09 PM
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None of Citation 500 series airplanes were certified single pilot. All were certified with a minimum of 2 crew.
A waiver to the 2 crew limitation to operate single pilot can be granted if you do the correct training and pass two separate checkrides.
The Citation CJ series airplanes were certified with a minimum of 1 crew.
A waiver to the 2 crew limitation to operate single pilot can be granted if you do the correct training and pass two separate checkrides.
The Citation CJ series airplanes were certified with a minimum of 1 crew.
08-24-2011 | 02:17 PM
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Sorry, but no. An ATP can only instruct when under the training program of a Part 121, 135, or 142 certificate holder.
An ATP rated pilot can give instruction in “air transportation service”.
Part 1.1 defines Air Transportation as “interstate, overseas, or foreign air transportation or the transportation of mail by aircraft”.
With that said, an ATP rated pilot can give instruction in Part 121 and Part 135 operations but not part 91 operations. The instruction can be in any aircraft on the certificate holders list; it doesn’t have to be just aircraft requiring a type rating.
However, you're going to ignore this fact and log it any ways. So, disregard and press on.
An ATP rated pilot can give instruction in “air transportation service”.
Part 1.1 defines Air Transportation as “interstate, overseas, or foreign air transportation or the transportation of mail by aircraft”.
With that said, an ATP rated pilot can give instruction in Part 121 and Part 135 operations but not part 91 operations. The instruction can be in any aircraft on the certificate holders list; it doesn’t have to be just aircraft requiring a type rating.
However, you're going to ignore this fact and log it any ways. So, disregard and press on.
08-24-2011 | 02:23 PM
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In addition, I received all of my training for the type rating from another ATP, then did the check ride at the FSDO in the plane. All of this was pt 91, not under a training program, and signed off on by the FAA, not an independent pilot examiner.
08-24-2011 | 06:53 PM
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If the PIC is an MEI... the ATP really doesn't matter.
Like a previous poster said... it is good to log it for another King Air job but I would be careful using it elsewhere. I wouldn't hire someone who used 100 hours of dual received with a hokey explanation to beef up their resume.
Like a previous poster said... it is good to log it for another King Air job but I would be careful using it elsewhere. I wouldn't hire someone who used 100 hours of dual received with a hokey explanation to beef up their resume.
09-08-2011 | 12:07 PM
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My original type in the 350 required an SIC, a year later and another checkride I had the restriction removed. I had the choice of doing a single pilot type or with a copilot, I felt the type ride would be easier, the first time, with a copilot. The company I am at now, we all are single pilot typed, but always fly with two pilots. I don't think our time is legally loggable in our case. I don't think any of us are MEI's, being part 91, no ops specs to require it.
09-08-2011 | 02:22 PM
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My original type in the 350 required an SIC, a year later and another checkride I had the restriction removed. I had the choice of doing a single pilot type or with a copilot, I felt the type ride would be easier, the first time, with a copilot. The company I am at now, we all are single pilot typed, but always fly with two pilots. I don't think our time is legally loggable in our case. I don't think any of us are MEI's, being part 91, no ops specs to require it.
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