Neptune Aviation
10-08-2014, 03:35 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by Tpinks
Don't know why you felt the need to post that.
May the pilot RIP.
May the pilot RIP.
Rest in peace? What's peaceful about being torn apart before burning in your seat as you're spread across a mountainside?
Say something else stupid and trite, like "at least he died doing what he loved."
10-08-2014, 08:32 PM
#62
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[QUOTE=JohnBurke;1742679]You would know if you'd ever been involved in fire aviation. Those who are giving it a thought should take a good look. Then look at the statistics of the number of aircraft involved and the number that have been lost.
Rest in peace? What's peaceful about being torn apart before burning in your seat as you're spread across a mountainside?
Say something else stupid and trite, like "at least he died doing what he loved."
John, as someone who has known many people who have lost their lives in aviation accidents (military) I find your post lacking in taste and decorum and borders on disgusting.
I have followed many of the firefighting threads here and I have found your insights to be well informed and well thought out, by an experienced aviator...which saddens me even more that you wrote what you did. I'm not sure your motivations as to post like you did, but I think you did your brothers a disservice in my opinion.
I'm saddened for the loss that the fire-fighting community endured yesterday.
Rest in peace? What's peaceful about being torn apart before burning in your seat as you're spread across a mountainside?
Say something else stupid and trite, like "at least he died doing what he loved."
John, as someone who has known many people who have lost their lives in aviation accidents (military) I find your post lacking in taste and decorum and borders on disgusting.
I have followed many of the firefighting threads here and I have found your insights to be well informed and well thought out, by an experienced aviator...which saddens me even more that you wrote what you did. I'm not sure your motivations as to post like you did, but I think you did your brothers a disservice in my opinion.
I'm saddened for the loss that the fire-fighting community endured yesterday.
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10-08-2014, 09:18 PM
#63
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Frankly, the mindless "RIP" and "at least he died doing something he loved" sickens me. I hear it all the time, usually said by those who feel like they need to say something. They don't.
There's nothing peaceful about it. Nobody loves careening over a cliff on fire on the way to one's death. I've met a lot of people who comment that this seems like a nice hobby for their retirement. They should think twice. For some of us, it's a career, and for some of us, it comes with a very abrupt early retirement.
When I first began firefighting, I received a list of all the fatalities with details of how they died. "Read this first," I was told, "then if you're interested, we'll talk further."
There are a LOT more military aviators with a LOT less fatalities, including in combat, than occur for firefighters. Those contemplating the business should understand that before they toss their hat in the ring.
A picture is worth 10,000 words.
There's nothing peaceful about it. Nobody loves careening over a cliff on fire on the way to one's death. I've met a lot of people who comment that this seems like a nice hobby for their retirement. They should think twice. For some of us, it's a career, and for some of us, it comes with a very abrupt early retirement.
When I first began firefighting, I received a list of all the fatalities with details of how they died. "Read this first," I was told, "then if you're interested, we'll talk further."
There are a LOT more military aviators with a LOT less fatalities, including in combat, than occur for firefighters. Those contemplating the business should understand that before they toss their hat in the ring.
A picture is worth 10,000 words.
10-08-2014, 09:50 PM
#64
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There are a LOT more military aviators with a LOT less fatalities, including in combat, than occur for firefighters. Those contemplating the business should understand that before they toss their hat in the ring.
A picture is worth 10,000 words.[/QUOTE]
JB,
Your assertion that the military has a lot less fatalities is absured. I understand that you are stressed and want to lash out, but it's beneath you. Please think about some of these things you say, because right now you are not making sense... I don't have numbers and I don't want to compare morbid stats And frankly I don't want to go any further down this rabbit hole.
Condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Tanker 81.
Heinous
A picture is worth 10,000 words.[/QUOTE]
JB,
Your assertion that the military has a lot less fatalities is absured. I understand that you are stressed and want to lash out, but it's beneath you. Please think about some of these things you say, because right now you are not making sense... I don't have numbers and I don't want to compare morbid stats And frankly I don't want to go any further down this rabbit hole.
Condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Tanker 81.
Heinous
10-08-2014, 10:25 PM
#65
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I'm not stressed in the least. Why would I be?
If you find a single fatality to be somehow stressful, this is most definitely NOT the job for you.
You, on the other hand, do appear to be experiencing some stress at the moment. Whatever. If you happen to be one of those considering this particular line of work, let that work for you while you contemplate whether this is what you really wish to do.
If it's not what you want to do, then no skin off your nose.
If you find a single fatality to be somehow stressful, this is most definitely NOT the job for you.
You, on the other hand, do appear to be experiencing some stress at the moment. Whatever. If you happen to be one of those considering this particular line of work, let that work for you while you contemplate whether this is what you really wish to do.
If it's not what you want to do, then no skin off your nose.
10-09-2014, 05:03 AM
#66
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I'm not stressed in the least. Why would I be?
If you find a single fatality to be somehow stressful, this is most definitely NOT the job for you.
You, on the other hand, do appear to be experiencing some stress at the moment. Whatever. If you happen to be one of those considering this particular line of work, let that work for you while you contemplate whether this is what you really wish to do.
If it's not what you want to do, then no skin off your nose.
If you find a single fatality to be somehow stressful, this is most definitely NOT the job for you.
You, on the other hand, do appear to be experiencing some stress at the moment. Whatever. If you happen to be one of those considering this particular line of work, let that work for you while you contemplate whether this is what you really wish to do.
If it's not what you want to do, then no skin off your nose.
10-09-2014, 08:11 AM
#67
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You're not the first person to react the way you have to comments such as these.
This summer a fatality occurred where I was working, involving a fire aircraft. The pilot lingered for a few days, before he died. Someone, upon learning of it, said without thinking, "at least he went doing something he loved."
Someone else in the room snapped back "you mean crushed, torn apart, and burned alive? You think he loved that, do you?"
I had to laugh.
No, it's not funny, but the trite, insensitive reiterations of the same tired, mindless phrases are, as are reactions such as yours. There's nothing sacred here, and the pictures aren't for the dead. They're for the living who may be thinking of overstepping their depth to undertake something they don't yet understand.
There aren't eighteen thousand pilots doing this job (USAF alone); there are about two hundred total, nationwide in the system. It's a small pool. Craig Hunt wasn't a neophyte. He'd worked with CDF for fifteen years prior to this mishap. It only takes once.
This summer a fatality occurred where I was working, involving a fire aircraft. The pilot lingered for a few days, before he died. Someone, upon learning of it, said without thinking, "at least he went doing something he loved."
Someone else in the room snapped back "you mean crushed, torn apart, and burned alive? You think he loved that, do you?"
I had to laugh.
No, it's not funny, but the trite, insensitive reiterations of the same tired, mindless phrases are, as are reactions such as yours. There's nothing sacred here, and the pictures aren't for the dead. They're for the living who may be thinking of overstepping their depth to undertake something they don't yet understand.
There aren't eighteen thousand pilots doing this job (USAF alone); there are about two hundred total, nationwide in the system. It's a small pool. Craig Hunt wasn't a neophyte. He'd worked with CDF for fifteen years prior to this mishap. It only takes once.
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