Pilot career without instructing?
#11
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I am not an airline pilot (yet), but I do fly heavy jets for the military. Being an aircraft commander in our case means teaching the young up and coming copilots to fly the plane and manage the cockpit and crew. You do it by nature whether you are an instructor pilot or not. I would imagine it is pretty similar in the airline industry.
I learn something from just about everyone that I fly with, junior, senior, or peer. Good CRM = instructing.
Being a CFI is going to teach you a lot about managing a student, flying, and multitasking in general. It is a good foundation that is an important part of what you are going to do for the rest of your aviation career.
I learn something from just about everyone that I fly with, junior, senior, or peer. Good CRM = instructing.
Being a CFI is going to teach you a lot about managing a student, flying, and multitasking in general. It is a good foundation that is an important part of what you are going to do for the rest of your aviation career.
#12
I have my days where I read the Instructor handbook, with motivation to become a CFI. Then reality sinks in, and I question weather I can be a CFI. I have anxiety over public speaking and presentations. I don't mind studying all the knowledge required, but I know this will be a factor when it comes to doing ground. Is there any way around this? Could I get excused by the CFI to just practice in a private room 1 on 1? If I decide not to teach, can you still have a ok Piloting career? I don't have high standards, and would be happy making enough money to live well( 40-60k is fine) I really wouldn't mind doing like 135 frieght. How hard would it be for someone to build time without instructing and would I be limited to non Airline jobs? Thanks in advance.
Another point is this: when I am giving a presentation in a college class, usually it's over something I have only been studying for a week or so. A subject I studied purely for the sake of presenting it. For a CFI/CFII that's not the case. You study aviation for months, maybe even years before you're asked to give lectures on it. At that point, you know it like the back of your hand and who knows, it may just feel more like a conversation rather than an instruction since you'd be so knowledgeable. Just my thoughts.
DO: Know how to communicate well enough and react in high stress.
DONT: Stress over small things or think that CFI is the only way to get to your goal. There's always time-building jobs outside of instructing!
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I have had stress in the cockpit before, ( graveyard spiral in IMC during instrument rating) but that's totally different. My situation is more psychological, I have a developed a fear towards oral presentations. I'm more reserved and serious. That is my only reason, but I guess the best thing to do is just try. I still want to see if anybody else has "made it" without giving any dual.
#14
I have had stress in the cockpit before, ( graveyard spiral in IMC during instrument rating) but that's totally different. My situation is more psychological, I have a developed a fear towards oral presentations. I'm more reserved and serious. That is my only reason, but I guess the best thing to do is just try. I still want to see if anybody else has "made it" without giving any dual.
I'm sorry - what does being reserved and serious have to do with standing up in front of people and talking?
What it seem is that you have a phobia against public speaking, and rationalizing it isn't going to help.
Seek help - and not just for the possible CFI eventuality - but for an improvement in life.
I had a fairly signigficant stutter when I was younger. I eventually out grew it, but if you are still having problems at your age then you will probably need some professional help.
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You were in a TRUE graveyard spiral, in ACTUAL IMC conditions, during your instrument TRAINING (as in with CFII on-board)???
I'm sorry - what does being reserved and serious have to do with standing up in front of people and talking?
What it seem is that you have a phobia against public speaking, and rationalizing it isn't going to help.
Seek help - and not just for the possible CFI eventuality - but for an improvement in life.
I had a fairly signigficant stutter when I was younger. I eventually out grew it, but if you are still having problems at your age then you will probably need some professional help.
I'm sorry - what does being reserved and serious have to do with standing up in front of people and talking?
What it seem is that you have a phobia against public speaking, and rationalizing it isn't going to help.
Seek help - and not just for the possible CFI eventuality - but for an improvement in life.
I had a fairly signigficant stutter when I was younger. I eventually out grew it, but if you are still having problems at your age then you will probably need some professional help.
#16
While in college and training for my CFI certificates I was not the biggest fan of giving presentations but knowing that made me try harder to overcome it. For some people public speaking is second nature, for others it requires a little more work.
I earned my CFI, CFII, and MEI certificates (with the intent of instructing) but I have rarely used them. Instead I was offered a job as a survey pilot which has provided me with a significant amount of flying experience. Don't get me wrong, flight instructing is a great way to build experience and hours. But, there is more than one way to do it.
I earned my CFI, CFII, and MEI certificates (with the intent of instructing) but I have rarely used them. Instead I was offered a job as a survey pilot which has provided me with a significant amount of flying experience. Don't get me wrong, flight instructing is a great way to build experience and hours. But, there is more than one way to do it.
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I don't think it's a bad thing to explore other options. You might end up on an eternal waiting list to get hired at a a flight school even if you do become a CFI. It does happen when flight schools get backed up.
I've seen a handful of people "make it" without instructing. Typically it involved building time to over 500 hours on their own dime, then moving to a place like Las Vegas where there's a lot of low time jobs like Grand Canyon tours, skydiving etc.
I've seen a handful of people "make it" without instructing. Typically it involved building time to over 500 hours on their own dime, then moving to a place like Las Vegas where there's a lot of low time jobs like Grand Canyon tours, skydiving etc.
#18
I have my days where I read the Instructor handbook, with motivation to become a CFI. Then reality sinks in, and I question weather I can be a CFI. I have anxiety over public speaking and presentations. I don't mind studying all the knowledge required, but I know this will be a factor when it comes to doing ground. Is there any way around this? Could I get excused by the CFI to just practice in a private room 1 on 1? If I decide not to teach, can you still have a ok Piloting career? I don't have high standards, and would be happy making enough money to live well( 40-60k is fine) I really wouldn't mind doing like 135 frieght. How hard would it be for someone to build time without instructing and would I be limited to non Airline jobs? Thanks in advance.
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I have my days where I read the Instructor handbook, with motivation to become a CFI. Then reality sinks in, and I question weather I can be a CFI. I have anxiety over public speaking and presentations. I don't mind studying all the knowledge required, but I know this will be a factor when it comes to doing ground. Is there any way around this? Could I get excused by the CFI to just practice in a private room 1 on 1? If I decide not to teach, can you still have a ok Piloting career? I don't have high standards, and would be happy making enough money to live well( 40-60k is fine) I really wouldn't mind doing like 135 frieght. How hard would it be for someone to build time without instructing and would I be limited to non Airline jobs? Thanks in advance.
Now, about this "low standard of 40-60k a year".... Hahaha, here is the bad news; sadly that is a high standard for pilot pay. If you are going to be an instructor you better forget about Starbucks and grow an appetite for cold cereal as dinner.
#20
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I think you should do it and not worry about it. Take your writtens and go to the ATP 2 week intensive. Make good friends with your apartment mates and let them help you become an instructor who can speak and relate.
Many anxieties such as public speaking can be overcome fairly fast with the right conditioning. In fact, most people with little public speaking experience have anxiety over it.
Good luck!
Many anxieties such as public speaking can be overcome fairly fast with the right conditioning. In fact, most people with little public speaking experience have anxiety over it.
Good luck!
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