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Old 04-20-2019, 03:02 PM
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The pay did not match the psa rates...
PSA is on a blended rate, what do you have to blend? I assume they offered the small RJ rate?

I hope that PDT can get a fair deal, you all certainly deserve it as well as QOL improvements.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:23 PM
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PSA is on a blended rate, what do you have to blend? I assume they offered the small RJ rate?

I hope that PDT can get a fair deal, you all certainly deserve it as well as QOL improvements.
Not our fault we fly clapped out 50 seaters... we have the most flights in and out of phl... pay us and give its the qol to continue doing this flying.
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:18 AM
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Not our fault we fly clapped out 50 seaters... we have the most flights in and out of phl... pay us and give its the qol to continue doing this flying.

Go to F&H Solutions web page. These are the people hired to "manage" your expectations. They read your web pages all the time to gauge what Piedmont pilots are willing to accept. I am sure they are not happy the word is out that Piedmont is probably near the bottom of desirable airlines to work for. They have a hand in all the crappy offers you get. All the kids out there ready to go to the regionals want Republic these days, for what that's worth. Then PSA. Unfortunately, Piedmont has gone from being very desirable to completely not. A shame.
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:10 AM
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Go to F&H Solutions web page. These are the people hired to "manage" your expectations. They read your web pages all the time to gauge what Piedmont pilots are willing to accept. I am sure they are not happy the word is out that Piedmont is probably near the bottom of desirable airlines to work for. They have a hand in all the crappy offers you get. All the kids out there ready to go to the regionals want Republic these days, for what that's worth. Then PSA. Unfortunately, Piedmont has gone from being very desirable to completely not. A shame.
At the rate they’re going, F&H is going to consult their way out of an income stream. Piedmonts pilot group has shown a willingness to vote “no” to concessions until Piedmont closes its doors on the airline side of the house (even when the Union leadership encourages otherwise as with the recent F&H consulted TA). Every segment of the industry is hiring and Piedmont is rock bottom in terms of pay and QOL. It’s the front end of the largest retirement/hiring wave in recent history. At this point outside of the top 40 pilots, no one has a pension or an emotional investment in flying aircraft with “Operated by Piedmont Airlines” on the side of them. A 5-10 year flow to the Major with the worst financials and lowest likelihood to survive the next large downturn isn’t enough of a carrot for the bottom 51+% of the pilot group to agree to give concessions. Every single pilot on the Piedmont seniority list could have another job lined up in short order when the flight side of the house shuts down and most of those would be a step up on pay and QOL.
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At the rate they’re going, F&H is going to consult their way out of an income stream. Piedmonts pilot group has shown a willingness to vote “no” to concessions until Piedmont closes its doors on the airline side of the house (even when the Union leadership encourages otherwise as with the recent F&H consulted TA). Every segment of the industry is hiring and Piedmont is rock bottom in terms of pay and QOL. It’s the front end of the largest retirement/hiring wave in recent history. At this point outside of the top 40 pilots, no one has a pension or an emotional investment in flying aircraft with “Operated by Piedmont Airlines” on the side of them. A 5-10 year flow to the Major with the worst financials and lowest likelihood to survive the next large downturn isn’t enough of a carrot for the bottom 51+% of the pilot group to agree to give concessions. Every single pilot on the Piedmont seniority list could have another job lined up in short order when the flight side of the house shuts down and most of those would be a step up on pay and QOL.
Not sure about F&H consulting themselves out of business but I can agree 100% with the rest of this statement.
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Old 04-21-2019, 02:16 PM
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At the rate they’re going, F&H is going to consult their way out of an income stream. Piedmonts pilot group has shown a willingness to vote “no” to concessions until Piedmont closes its doors on the airline side of the house (even when the Union leadership encourages otherwise as with the recent F&H consulted TA). Every segment of the industry is hiring and Piedmont is rock bottom in terms of pay and QOL. It’s the front end of the largest retirement/hiring wave in recent history. At this point outside of the top 40 pilots, no one has a pension or an emotional investment in flying aircraft with “Operated by Piedmont Airlines” on the side of them. A 5-10 year flow to the Major with the worst financials and lowest likelihood to survive the next large downturn isn’t enough of a carrot for the bottom 51+% of the pilot group to agree to give concessions. Every single pilot on the Piedmont seniority list could have another job lined up in short order when the flight side of the house shuts down and most of those would be a step up on pay and QOL.
You do of course realize that in the day and age of only 5 legacies (3 if you don’t live on the west coast), a couple majors, and a handful of LCCs that the US government isn’t going to let one of the nation’s largest providers of lift close up shop right? Delta just took on more debt to buy back stock as well because borrowing money has been / is still cheap compared to historical averages. American’s debt doesn’t scare me. It’s disregard and lack of investment for its frontline employees scares me.

One thing to consider about flowing to AA or pursuing a job at a legacy airline... Even if the economy takes a big hit and markets dip 20-30%, there are so many retirements it’s insane. Sure they may contract a bit, but with the number of retirements (especially at AA) you’ll still likely see hiring and movement. Compared to an LCC that has a very junior pilot group, if the music stops you’re stuck where you’re at.
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Old 04-21-2019, 04:19 PM
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At the rate they’re going, F&H is going to consult their way out of an income stream. Piedmonts pilot group has shown a willingness to vote “no” to concessions until Piedmont closes its doors on the airline side of the house (even when the Union leadership encourages otherwise as with the recent F&H consulted TA). Every segment of the industry is hiring and Piedmont is rock bottom in terms of pay and QOL. It’s the front end of the largest retirement/hiring wave in recent history. At this point outside of the top 40 pilots, no one has a pension or an emotional investment in flying aircraft with “Operated by Piedmont Airlines” on the side of them. A 5-10 year flow to the Major with the worst financials and lowest likelihood to survive the next large downturn isn’t enough of a carrot for the bottom 51+% of the pilot group to agree to give concessions. Every single pilot on the Piedmont seniority list could have another job lined up in short order when the flight side of the house shuts down and most of those would be a step up on pay and QOL.
I am at the point where they have hosed us and insulted us so many times before that I don’t care if they think they can win this one and it turns sour.

They can’t win here...They don’t get this place on the right track and every single management employee at this place will be looking long and hard for a job.

I don’t want a merger by any means. But if it were to happen we would all have jobs on the other side. You think MK can say the same? Hogg? Literally any of these people who quite literally cannot run an airline? Adios amigos!

F&H commies will be just fine. PDT management can kiss their jobs goodbye if it goes that way.
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I am at the point where they have hosed us and insulted us so many times before that I don’t care if they think they can win this one and it turns sour.

They can’t win here...They don’t get this place on the right track and every single management employee at this place will be looking long and hard for a job.

I don’t want a merger by any means. But if it were to happen we would all have jobs on the other side. You think MK can say the same? Hogg? Literally any of these people who quite literally cannot run an airline? Adios amigos!

F&H commies will be just fine. PDT management can kiss their jobs goodbye if it goes that way.
I couldn't be more proud of our pilot group. Im hoping we send a message to the RAA that pilots can't be expected to work less than a fair wage and fair quality of life. F and H and the RAA are closely monitoring this situation.
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I couldn't be more proud of our pilot group. Im hoping we send a message to the RAA that pilots can't be expected to work less than a fair wage and fair quality of life. F and H and the RAA are closely monitoring this situation.
^^This. Just like the last 70% no, I’m very glad we didn’t take the money and run. Fact is, money alone still does nothing to bring people here. I’d like to think that realization is sinking in, however I thought the same last time...
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^^This. Just like the last 70% no, I’m very glad we didn’t take the money and run. Fact is, money alone still does nothing to bring people here. I’d like to think that realization is sinking in, however I thought the same last time...
I am out of this place soon... the way I see it, by making the regionals more expensive to run, the needle will tip towards mainline taking flying back and less reliance on making a minor league farm system, thereby securing all of our futures.

It still amazes me how the raa always spins a news story to explain how the regionals are necessary for pilots to gain experience before pilots can jump to bigger planes... every single person that's in the raa makes large amounts of money in the list below on pilots backs, working for less in the name of labor (pilots) paying their dues..

RAA Team

Faye Malarkey Black President & CEO

Drew Jacoby Lemos Director - Government Affairs

Aaron Karp Director - Communications

Amanda N. Thaxton Manager - Membership and Operations

Sharon Smith-Prosper Executive Assistant

RAA Board of Directors

Executive Committee
Chair
Bryan Bedford, Republic Airline

Vice Chair
Rick Leach, Trans States Holdings

Treasurer
Dion Flannery, PSA Airlines

Secretary
Chip Childs, SkyWest

Executive Committee At Large
Tim Komberec, Empire Airlines

Executive Committee At Large
Joe Miller, Endeavor

Past Chair
Linda Markham, Cape Air

Directors
Christine Deister, Air Wisconsin Airlines LLC
John Sullivan, CommutAir
Brian Randow, Compass Airlines
Pedro Fabregas, Envoy
Subodh Karnik, ExpressJet
Terry Basham, GoJet Airlines
Gary Beck, Horizon Air
Colin Copp, Jazz Aviation
Jonathan Ornstein, Mesa Air Group
William Bendokas, New England Airlines
Lyle Hogg, Piedmont Airlines
David Pflieger, Corvus Airlines and PenAir
Mark Slack, Scenic/Grand Canyon
Jesus Medina, Seaborne Airlines
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