CBD Oil for pilots
#31
Far as I know the DOT can test for anything it needs to, scheduled or not. They'd just have to NPR 49 CFR 40.1 to make a change, or do nothing in the case of MJ.
I suspect their policy would be based on the most commonly abused substances... if MJ use is common, and people come to work afterwards then they'll test for it. Not aware of any law which says they can't test for legal substances... booze comes to mind.
Cost of the testing is relevant, they could test for hundreds of different things... but no point in spending a lot of money to test for something that's just not prevalent, ie bang for buck.
I suspect their policy would be based on the most commonly abused substances... if MJ use is common, and people come to work afterwards then they'll test for it. Not aware of any law which says they can't test for legal substances... booze comes to mind.
Cost of the testing is relevant, they could test for hundreds of different things... but no point in spending a lot of money to test for something that's just not prevalent, ie bang for buck.
#32
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Not inconceivable regulatory windows could eventually squeak open enough that working pilots, dispatchers, A&P's etc. will gain legal access on non-duty time. If so, the planet will likely keep turning. The question remains, as happy hour winds down, what comes next? There's no perfect resolution. No ruling out all possible circumstances under which a human might lose control, going solely from their stills. While waiting, here's a CBD you may try now that sits beyond the long reach of club fed; Citrus oil, Bitters sugar, Dickel rye.
https://youtu.be/cI6v858LeTU
https://youtu.be/cI6v858LeTU
#33
Not inconceivable regulatory windows could eventually squeak open enough that working pilots, dispatchers, A&P's etc. will gain legal access on non-duty time. If so, the planet will likely keep turning. The question remains, as happy hour winds down, what comes next? There's no perfect resolution. No ruling out all possible circumstances under which a human might lose control, going solely from their stills. While waiting, here's a CBD you may try now that sits beyond the long reach of club fed; Citrus oil, Bitters sugar, Dickel rye.
https://youtu.be/cI6v858LeTU
https://youtu.be/cI6v858LeTU
1) They can come up with a (reliable and cost-effective) test that corresponds to current impairment, as opposed to what they use now which detects metabolites that linger for many weeks. I know people are working on that, not sure how far along they are.
2) There's sufficient documented evidence that regular use doesn't result in long-term cognitive impairment... we all know it does, it's just a matter of degree and where and how they draw the line.
Yes you can say the same for booze but humanity (most but not all ethnic groups) has actually evolved to tolerate and even thrive with alcohol consumption. Otherwise tee-totaling cultures would rule the world, and they clearly don't. Quite the opposite in fact.
If alcohol had just become a thing 20 years ago, it would almost certainly be illegal and for good reason... it would be very addictive and unhealthy to non-adapted humans. Also most cultures including ours have alcohol pretty well baked into social constructs so it was never really an option for the FAA to ban it for pilots (see prohibition for more insight).
#34
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Legal (federal legal) recreational weed would likely be allowed eventually IF...
1) They can come up with a (reliable and cost-effective) test that corresponds to current impairment, as opposed to what they use now which detects metabolites that linger for many weeks. I know people are working on that, not sure how far along they are.
2) There's sufficient documented evidence that regular use doesn't result in long-term cognitive impairment... we all know it does, it's just a matter of degree and where and how they draw the line.
Yes you can say the same for booze but humanity (most but not all ethnic groups) has actually evolved to tolerate and even thrive with alcohol consumption. Otherwise tee-totaling cultures would rule the world, and they clearly don't. Quite the opposite in fact.
If alcohol had just become a thing 20 years ago, it would almost certainly be illegal and for good reason... it would be very addictive and unhealthy to non-adapted humans. Also most cultures including ours have alcohol pretty well baked into social constructs so it was never really an option for the FAA to ban it for pilots (see prohibition for more insight).
1) They can come up with a (reliable and cost-effective) test that corresponds to current impairment, as opposed to what they use now which detects metabolites that linger for many weeks. I know people are working on that, not sure how far along they are.
2) There's sufficient documented evidence that regular use doesn't result in long-term cognitive impairment... we all know it does, it's just a matter of degree and where and how they draw the line.
Yes you can say the same for booze but humanity (most but not all ethnic groups) has actually evolved to tolerate and even thrive with alcohol consumption. Otherwise tee-totaling cultures would rule the world, and they clearly don't. Quite the opposite in fact.
If alcohol had just become a thing 20 years ago, it would almost certainly be illegal and for good reason... it would be very addictive and unhealthy to non-adapted humans. Also most cultures including ours have alcohol pretty well baked into social constructs so it was never really an option for the FAA to ban it for pilots (see prohibition for more insight).
#35
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Be involved in a mishap. Maybe bent metal, maybe a lot of things, that draw scrutiny.
A number of 91 operators have drug tests pursuant to the hiring process. I've worked for several employers who did just that. The results that come back aren't constrained by DOT minimum standards, nor are the companies that test for metabolites beholden to a list of prohibited items or thresholds. I worked for a military contractor, for example, who required a drug test because the military required it of the contractor. The company did random testing, prehire screening, a yearly test, and on-demand testing, plus any mishap carried the requirement. I flew for a government contracted operation where I experienced an engine failure with a forced landing. The federal investigators who showed up weren't FAA or NTSB, and they wanted drug and alcohol test results, which I made sure I had done immediately following the forced landing.
In any event, anything which draws scrutiny opens one up to the big picture view. It's true that one can get away with a lot, possibly for a long time, until one gets caught. Until something happens. Until someone looks closer.
#36
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Ironic this topic under Pilot Health. Dead nuts on though. Dependence, codependence, all the intricate pieces that fall together to make you, you. Scarcely a counselor. But if it's routine, deception lurks. Eyes only. No need to fret over the tab. Substance habits get paid in full, always. https://youtu.be/0moo4X2pKTw
#37
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Legal but largely unregulated substances like CBD are also complicating the landscape.
In 2015, a commercial truck driver of nearly 30 years sued the cannabis brand Dixie after he failed a random DOT drug test. Douglas Horn was working as an over-the-road hazmat driver when he consumed a CBD product advertised as having 0 percent THC, according to the complaint. He was fired after flunking the test and had trouble finding similar employment.
After a lower court dismissed most of his claims, Horn is appealing his case to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Another truck driver, Trevor Darrow, said he took CBD gummies labeled “no THC” and ended up being fired from his job for failing a drug test. He sued the manufacturer and eventually settled.
Biden, at a recent White House event, made it clear that the U.S. needs more truckers, saying that they “are the people that literally make [the country] run.”
“I have nothing against investment bankers,” Biden said, while noting that “they could all retire and nothing much would change.” He told the drivers: “You all quit, everything comes to a halt.”
In 2015, a commercial truck driver of nearly 30 years sued the cannabis brand Dixie after he failed a random DOT drug test. Douglas Horn was working as an over-the-road hazmat driver when he consumed a CBD product advertised as having 0 percent THC, according to the complaint. He was fired after flunking the test and had trouble finding similar employment.
After a lower court dismissed most of his claims, Horn is appealing his case to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Another truck driver, Trevor Darrow, said he took CBD gummies labeled “no THC” and ended up being fired from his job for failing a drug test. He sued the manufacturer and eventually settled.
Biden, at a recent White House event, made it clear that the U.S. needs more truckers, saying that they “are the people that literally make [the country] run.”
“I have nothing against investment bankers,” Biden said, while noting that “they could all retire and nothing much would change.” He told the drivers: “You all quit, everything comes to a halt.”
#38
Now there are a lot of products with CBD content. You can find chocolate, lollipops, and chewing gums with CBD. This is cool since the choice of products with CBD increases. I can't smoke marijuana because I wouldn't say I like the smell and taste. I also tried chewing gums with CBD, but I didn't like it. But I found an excellent substitute for marijuana in the form of OrganicCBDNugs. Judging by the composition, all the ingredients are natural, which attracted me. The taste of the lollipops is excellent; the smell is also great. It perfectly relaxes after a hard working day and relieves stress. Just what you need.
Hopefully, since this is your first posting, you are only a troll who is trying to get a reaction, and not really as stupid as you come across…
#39
I’m always intrigued by people who say something like “all the ingredients are natural, which attracted me.” Strychnine is natural. Deadly nightshade is natural. Horse$hit is natural.
Hopefully, since this is your first posting, you are only a troll who is trying to get a reaction, and not really as stupid as you come across…
Hopefully, since this is your first posting, you are only a troll who is trying to get a reaction, and not really as stupid as you come across…
#40
You're talking to a spambot...
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