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irrelevant 05-08-2018 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2589561)
I thought resigning during initial was a PRIA blackmark?

It's a pilots' market.

captande 05-08-2018 09:58 PM

So what’s the point of opening bases, tossing a hundred pilots in there. Then only having 10 lines? All while a bunch of overnights are coming in from elsewhere?

joseolay 05-09-2018 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by MaCrOs (Post 2589252)
FWIW, I heard some of them come here to get some CRJ info/training while waiting for a class date somewhere else...

If that's the case, it's hurting the company in training costs and staffing with pay increases being the obvious solution. We've got major problems with our compensation if pilots are jumping ship for other regionals that should be considered lateral moves at best.

ZeroTT 05-09-2018 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by joseolay (Post 2589764)
If that's the case, it's hurting the company in training costs and staffing with pay increases being the obvious solution. We've got major problems with our compensation if pilots are jumping ship for other regionals that should be considered lateral moves at best.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Consider this scenario. You want to work at FancyJet International because they have a base in Enid, OK. They offer you a CRJ class date three months out. PSA offers you a class date next week. So you come to PSA for three months of paid checkride prep before you start the job you do want at Fancy Jet. Pay increases aren't going to change that.

MarkVI 05-09-2018 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2589790)
I don't think that's what he's saying. Consider this scenario. You want to work at FancyJet International because they have a base in Enid, OK. They offer you a CRJ class date three months out. PSA offers you a class date next week. So you come to PSA for three months of paid checkride prep before you start the job you do want at Fancy Jet. Pay increases aren't going to change that.

Agreed. Attrition during classes due to pay isn't the problem. There's a myriad of factors as to what could be attributing to this. Without conducting exit interviews and obtaining *accurate* data, there's no way of knowing why this number has been so high. Only thing you can do is speculate.

MaCrOs 05-09-2018 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2589790)
I don't think that's what he's saying. Consider this scenario. You want to work at FancyJet International because they have a base in Enid, OK. They offer you a CRJ class date three months out. PSA offers you a class date next week. So you come to PSA for three months of paid checkride prep before you start the job you do want at Fancy Jet. Pay increases aren't going to change that.

That's pretty much in the nutshell. I'm not saying this is due to any airline, although coincidentally, high number of FOs leaving training started occurring after the new 9E contract was voted in. Other airlines have some wait time now as well, so who knows.

joseolay 05-09-2018 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2589790)
I don't think that's what he's saying. Consider this scenario. You want to work at FancyJet International because they have a base in Enid, OK. They offer you a CRJ class date three months out. PSA offers you a class date next week. So you come to PSA for three months of paid checkride prep before you start the job you do want at Fancy Jet. Pay increases aren't going to change that.

If new hires are bailing to Endeaver because of base selection and not pay, our recruiting department needs to do a better job sniffing people out. If I was AA, I would blacklist pilots that made lateral moves from wholly owns within the first year of employment. Tell the applicant up front too, sounds reasonable.

Swakid8 05-09-2018 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by captande (Post 2589635)
So what’s the point of opening bases, tossing a hundred pilots in there. Then only having 10 lines? All while a bunch of overnights are coming in from elsewhere?

This is only the second month that the bases were open, lets revisit this in August and afterwards.

texinc 05-09-2018 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by joseolay (Post 2590090)
If new hires are bailing to Endeaver because of base selection and not pay, our recruiting department needs to do a better job sniffing people out. If I was AA, I would blacklist pilots that made lateral moves from wholly owns within the first year of employment. Tell the applicant up front too, sounds reasonable.

Could be ASA pilots who were based in Atlanta, but come to PSA because they figure Charlotte is closest thing. Perhaps after they start training in Dayton, the lure of that class date awarded by Endeavor with the chance of being based in ATL and possibly where their house and family live, is just too tempting.

irrelevant 05-09-2018 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by joseolay (Post 2590090)
If new hires are bailing to Endeaver because of base selection and not pay, our recruiting department needs to do a better job sniffing people out. If I was AA, I would blacklist pilots that made lateral moves from wholly owns within the first year of employment. Tell the applicant up front too, sounds reasonable.

Or they could make the job worth staying for, rather than just acting like thugs.


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