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Here is the latest (February 2018) update.

Thanks!

Showing a 23 July R1 FO at DAY which doesn't match a class date.

July 2017 classes were the 3, 17, and 31st.

I am showing a different number of pilots on property with my seniority list on FLICA. Is there an error on the company seniority list?

Thank you for doing these. It is very helpful.

I hope those times to BU for CA start falling with the new flow. I'll hit my upgrade times sometime this summer at the slow rate I'm flying. I would like to make my RSV time short as possible.

Sorry if I am missing the explanation here somewhere but can someone explain what I am looking at? I get what R1 down to SCR mean, but what are the times in each block?

I want to know for example how long it takes someone to get to R1 in DCA as a FO. Do I just look at the date in that block and count from now backwards to then and expect that is more or less the rate of movement?

DOH is date of hire, ok. So it takes 6 months at DCA as a FO to get from short call to long call? Jeez

Attrition should pick up as the Majors hiring pick back up again this year I hope


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Sort of... not really

DCA FO

Most junior FO was on property 4 months
Most junior FO to hold a Long Call Reserve Line has been here 6 months (from date of hire)
Most junior FO to hold a Build Up Line has been here 6 months (from date of hire)
Most junior FO to hold a Round 1 line has been here 8 months. (from date of hire)

So, someone that was hired 8 months ago spend about 3-4 months in new hire training/IOE. After that, they spent 2-3 months on short call reserve, then about 2 months on long call reserve or had a build up line, and 2 months later they were able to hold a Round 1 line.

Total time on short call reserve in DCA was about 2-3 months.

I think all the times are from Date of Hire. So 6 months from date of hire to get Long call. Only around 8-9 months at DCA and CLT from date of hire to get Round 1.

That's all total time from DOH. The most junior SCR award at DCA has been on property for less than 5 months. The most junior LCR less than 7 months. That means only spending about 2 months on SCR.

Keep in mind that just because there is someone that junior on LCR/BU/R1 doesn't mean that there aren't more senior people that dropped down to a lower status for whatever reason. My base had FOs that could hold BU who bid (or were awarded) SCR. It doesn't skew the numbers that much, probably no more than two weeks for most bases.

Also consider there are 3-4 months of training before anyone is awarded a schedule during the bid. I don't remember if MaCrOs includes those awarded a base, but not eligible to bid yet (still in training).

Thank you so much!

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I've noticed that it doesn't match the class date. However, that is the official seniority DOH for that person if you look at the seniority list.

You are correct 1647 is the correct number. Apparently there was an updated list that came out after I imported the one I had.

So what’s the story with ORF?

The story is we're opening ORF as a maintenance base.

The chatter/speculation is that a crew base there may follow.

With PSA's growth plan (and so far, ability to continue building) we are likely to add additional crew base(s). If we're picking up Air Wisconsin's flying, it makes sense that those bases would mimic the Air Whisky bases being replaced (PHL and ORF, for example).

It seems to me that ORF probably has a good supply of Regional Jet Pilots, many who could be persuaded to jump to PSA if the rewards are good enough.

There are a healthy supply of military folks who aren't able to get on with the majors that will come onboard if ORF opens as a crew base. A lot of folks I know from this region (prior military) went to AWAC for that base alone. It's one of the reasons why I considered AWAC strongly for quite some time until they announced they were closing the base forcing me to look into my commuting options.


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Someone already listed it in your profile, leading to my question. Sounding like it hasn’t been officially announced and/or added as a bid option yet.

That was a mistake, as discussed elsewhere. It somehow got listed as a crew base instead of a maintenance base when the profile was updated.

Ya open ORF and suck those whiskey guys up out of there like DCA did ooo ooo better yet just how CVG had comair guys flocking in. I mean some did but not the amount they had hoped for...


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I don’t think opening ORF has much to do with attracting Whiskey pilots...

Look at a map of Norfolk and draw a 50 mile and 100 mile ring around it. There are some great places to live and drive to ORF. Virginia Beach, Newport News, Outer Banks of NC, Elizabeth City, Richmond, Edenton/Morehead...

It won't be great for commuters, but if you are interested in living on the coast, there are some great options. If I was 20 and single again, Virginia Beach area would be very attractive.

That's actually the reason I wouldn't mind it. Currently I am planning on being based at DCA, a 2 hour drive from my house. DCA is stupid expensive to live near. Norfolk is less expensive, and no NoVA traffic to deal with, so I'd be willing to relocate closer to ORF. But I know I am in the small minority, and am not counting my chickens yet.

I hope orf will be a pilot domicile . I live in the Richmond area and would love the 1.5 hour drive and could sleep in my bed most nights.

Man, maybe I haven't been paying attention but those r1 times have jumped up like what, 3-4 months for FO?

Is that due to the influx of new hires?

1/3 of the entire seniority list was hired in 2017...

Also, someone mentioned those months include sims/ground school, so a 9 month wait time is really only like 6 months.

If I have to guess, a lot of stagnation has been due to smaller upgrade classes before the union and the company reached an agreement for forced upgrades. Not that I agree with the LOA, but to answer your question, it should help with FO reserve times.

However, a lot of junior CAs who voluntarily upgraded are now facing extended reserve time because those who are senior to them are upgrading.

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I get that, but looking back to the summer, those same positions and times were a minimum of 2 months shorter. Regardless of anything else, the times have increased to hold r1. Is that not correct?

DCA was shortest to hold Round one for FO when it first opened as a crew base last year. But now it appears they have more pilots and the time to hold R1 is taking longer. I would say Charlotte is about 1 month longer than it was.

DAY has only increased about 2.5 months since this summer and is still the most junior. This is most due to the huge number of 2017 hires and the slow fall upgrade classes.

A new base will also come with short time to hold a R1 line :D

If we open another base, this will repeat itself. Staffing a new base will bring down times while flying gets moved around. Opening a new base has multiple purposes, one purpose would be to allow additional growth/flying as we add more planes this year. Hopefully most of the flying in the new base would be new lines, not lines stolen from other bases.

If PHL is selected as our next base, I think it will go fairly junior. Those already living in the PHL area are more likely to have gone to Piedmont (or Air Whisky) making most of our PHL pilots commuters. It's pretty convenient for those in the NE, though. It's also a good settling point for those planning to go to mainline, aside from it being in Pennsylvania (at least while they've got the E190 flying).

I could see ORF going more senior and stealing pilots from DCA without much new flying to be had there (maybe the same lines that would have been PHL).

You think ORF will go senior? How many pilots commute from ORF and PHF on PSA already? I would think those in RIC could go 50/50 on DCA vs ORF.


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I think ORF would be more like another TYS, rather than a DAY. People actually want to live there. It seems like most TYS people live in that general vicinity, whereas, I'm guessing at least 50% of the DAY pilot group commutes. I haven't checked out the ORF route maps, but I'm guessing it's at least as commutable as DAY, but with way better scenery and weather.

I doubt it would be commutable


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If you lived in PIT, but are not planning on living there long term and were interested in joining PSA, what would you do while on reserve?

-Drive to DAY (260-ish miles);
-Drive to DCA (250-ish miles);
-Commute to DCA (One PSA flight, one TSA flight, two RPA flights
a day, currently);
-Commute to CLT (Five AA flights and two PSA flights a day,
currently).

I've discarded TYS and CVG because those would be two leg commutes.

Appreciate the insight.

PIT is very tough to commute out of anywhere on American. Dayton is a 4 hour drive. Why not look at Republic who has a base at PIT and drive to work?

I certainly wouldn't rule out Republic, but I want to keep the option of one day applying to American open, and more so I'm hoping to live in the Carolinas down the line.

Imagine being forced to upgrade and now sit reserve, along with a two leg commute to ORF from anywhere besides a couple cities.....ORF is a bad choice. Give commuters more choices of bases...

KPHL and KORF just announced today as new bases. Opening May 2018.