and when I'm a 1600 hour helo guy with 260 airplane you don't think I get the struggle ? :confused:

I never said that at all. I respect the differences of both missions and aircraft to know there is a learning curve.

**** man, we have fixed wing guys struggle to get through Sims. Training is just tough.


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September 2018 Update

https://i.imgur.com/VsmgPnM.jpg

Such an amazing work of art hahaha....

Thank You!

Thank you MaCrOs! If you leave for any reason please pass your mad collating skills on to someone as reliable as you.

Also, if PSA lost 36 but increased by 37 the company must have added 73 people to the pay role. I didn’t think the company was hiring that many pilots per month?

If anyone is interested, let me know. I'm considering leaving pretty soon.
The seniority list is not always precise (I mean there are pilots who are at AA and are still on the list... Some even got a RD1 line) so this only reflects what the lists are showing FWIW.

I'll shoot you a message


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Macros, I always appreciate your data analysis at the end of the month. You say you are considering moving on, just curious are you flow eligible, or just moving on to another airline?

I'm considering another airline. Far from upgrade eligible.

Good for you! I'm thinking the same.

I think we all are...

If you guys decide to come to Republic feel free to reach out, happy to split the referral bonus.

Keep that referral bonus for yourself. It’s yours. You really are, “that guy”. Have some self-respect. FOs are paid handsomely at most regionals now. They get bonuses just for signing on the dotted line. Why even offer to split it? It’s YOUR bonus.

Coming from the guy who complained about how terrible reserve was when he wasn’t even here but for a brief time. Reserve sucks everywhere. It’s a regional. Guys sat reserve for years and years under far worse contracts than ours. Yet you couldn’t hack being screwed around with by crew scheduling for a short time. How would you not have known what you were getting into? I hope the grass is greener for you over at Republic.

This industry is a real mother. It’s good now but it will be bad again. Contracts can be gutted. Furloughs can happen. Companies will fold. It’s all cyclical and we’re at the top of what has been the biggest upswing in most of our careers. If being on reserve and getting jerked around by scheduling grinds your gears then this probably isn’t the industry for you. Welcome to the suck.

I actually meant far from flow eligible. Forced upgrade around the corner.

You’ve got a real problem it seems but I could care less. There were other things that irked me besides crappy reserve games that pushed me to make the move. Many have said the same about the referral bonus so if that has you putting your pants the wrong way that’s on you. You yourself have talked about the the company in a bad way but god forbid someone else have a sim opinion.
Your insight into my career here, there, or anywhere isn’t something I’ll waste too much time on but thanks anyway

Thank God I “sold the Top“ for once in my life! I wouldn't say I'm being paid "handsomely" though. It's a bit better than a kick in the... pants.

A glance at the October attrition

36 pilots left (16 captains and 20 first officers) with pilot total standing at 1848 (gain of 9).

Full details posted around 9/23.

Any idea at what point in training/seniority the FO's left? If at the 1-2 year point that would be interesting.

Did they really fill this last captain class with volunteers?

If they did, several of them were volunteers because the alternative future they feared was getting senior assigned to less desirable domiciles.

No, this award was a re-do. Everyone on the list had been previously awarded then the award was rescinded, and reposted. They were instructed to update their bid so they knew it was coming.

The original bid that was rescinded had 8 volunteers that bid and 6 volunteers that were selected.

Thanks Union for screwing over every senior FO.

As for volunteers, yeah it's curious how so many were forced into ORF, but once they saw their time was up and were able to put in an actual bid they mostly got what they wanted.

PS... Everyone Union rep needs to be replaced.

11 FOs were here less than 1 year
7 FOs were here 1-3 years
2 were 3+ years

It has been a steady trend for last few months where 10+ FOs less then a year had been leaving. Obviously no immediate impact but something that may affect CA upgrades when we run out of upgrade eligible pilots.

Great verbiage.

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OCTOBER 2018 UPDATE

link

https://i.imgur.com/kOOHPFa.jpg

Those times are pretty crappy. Not compared to the way it was, but comparing it to the fact you could go somewhere else, fly right away, not get forced to upgrade (or if you do, you'd at least fly), and probably make more money. I hope they have a plan to fix this

Every month, it seems my chance at a line moves away by a month. Maybe one day...

It’s pull down for fall schedules it seems.


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ORF
 

Looking to get based at Norfolk out of training (start in Dec). I have a house there and the Navy will move me (retired). What are the chances of being stable there I.e., not being forced to re-base for a few years? From the looks of the graph above I’ve got a good chance but the whole forced upgrade & re-basing sounds bad. Also have offer from Endeavor but don’t like their bases and wouldn’t move to any of them, therefore would have to commute.

Things can change rapidly in the regional segment, but it's likely ORF won't ever be as desirable as a domicile that can be a single-leg commute, as a result, it's less likely you have to worry about being forced out.

If PSA chooses to close it as a maintenance base in 5 years or so, then that domicile will likely close as well.

Best wishes with your decision.

You will have no issues getting ORF and keeping it. In terms of stability, it will be here until the company decides to close the base.


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That’s an....interesting screen name...

If you aren't retiring from the Navy, find and read TheDude86's (I think it was his, at least) posts explaining the financial difference between us and Endeavor and start a great career at Endeavor.

If you are retiring from Active Duty as an officer, do what's best for your QOL and family. The Norfolk base should be around for a while and stay fairly junior.

SERE; cue the crying baby soundtrack.

Norfolk is where everyone is getting forcibly rebased.

If that’s your briar patch, PSA is a great place.

I’ll try to find the link.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of military folk and maybe a few former Air Wisconsin people have already come here for Norfolk. While I think it will remain somewhat junior I would guess that there are plenty of FOs here that would like to remain in ORF. I think there are enough of them on property now to fill most If not all of the Round 1 lines there. I have a feeling it will always remain easy to get into ORF, but you might be stuck on reserve for quite awhile since most of the future ORF Round 1 line holders are already on property.

Yep, I’m sure you remember your number too. Good times.

I’m retiring as an “O”. Endeavor looks great, good pay and seems commuter friendly but to me, it doesn’t outweigh the possibility/benefit of being based where I can wait at home on reserve and drive to & from work once on line. Thanks & I’ll check out Dude’s post.

I’ll be about an hour & 15 minutes from Norfolk. They told us it’s a 2 hour callout for short reserve but I guess it could change? I also heard some of the lines were daily turns which would kind of suck for that drive but I could potentially SAP out of that.