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Originally Posted by 272922
(Post 2698122)
Then they're being really dumb about it. They'd be better off SAPing into LCA trips while staying as close to 65 hours as possible.
I just said that's not what happened... |
Originally Posted by 272922
(Post 2698122)
Then they're being really dumb about it. They'd be better off SAPing into LCA trips while staying as close to 65 hours as possible.
Problem is that if you're CLT based, they still find ways to (ab)use you... |
Originally Posted by soitgoes
(Post 2698123)
I just said that's not what happened...
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Originally Posted by tlamjaj
(Post 2698196)
But your explanation doesn't allow them to say how crazy and dumb you are!! ;) welcome back.
Good to be back, thanks a lot! |
So, as I alluded to earlier, I've been gone for a bit... What in the world is going on with FLICA/SAP? I have a few requests that have been in for more than two hours. They appear to be pretty standard trades, and the minimum numbers definitely jive.
Before I left I remember some trades taking a little bit right when the window opened, but not this bad. |
Originally Posted by soitgoes
(Post 2698618)
So, as I alluded to earlier, I've been gone for a bit... What in the world is going on with FLICA/SAP? I have a few requests that have been in for more than two hours. They appear to be pretty standard trades, and the minimum numbers definitely jive.
Before I left I remember some trades taking a little bit right when the window opened, but not this bad. |
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Originally Posted by soitgoes
(Post 2698618)
So, as I alluded to earlier, I've been gone for a bit... What in the world is going on with FLICA/SAP? I have a few requests that have been in for more than two hours. They appear to be pretty standard trades, and the minimum numbers definitely jive.
Before I left I remember some trades taking a little bit right when the window opened, but not this bad. SAP does take a while now but we’re doing seniority based right now. The union email yesterday has the bidding schedule for next month which might help later. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Originally Posted by IcelandicHammer
(Post 2698622)
Sap was like two weeks ago. We're in seniority based now. It closes at 5pm today.
Yeah, I said FLICA/SAP... Poor wording. Question still stands. Has it been this slow for awhile, or is something else going on? |
Originally Posted by soitgoes
(Post 2698629)
Yeah, I said FLICA/SAP... Poor wording.
Question still stands. Has it been this slow for awhile, or is something else going on? |
This guy needs to get rumour recurrent... go sit in the crew room for a couple days.
Read through the old threads and you shall find the conspiracy theories in which you seek. Welcome back |
Originally Posted by soitgoes
(Post 2698629)
Yeah, I said FLICA/SAP... Poor wording.
Question still stands. Has it been this slow for awhile, or is something else going on? If youre referring to SAP in general then yes, its been getting slower and slower every month. This month wasn’t as bad (but still pretty slow) most likely because a lot of people kept their flying due to the holiday pay. I would assume December will be similar, and then we’ll most likely be back to 6-8 hour processing times for January. |
[QUOTE=272922;2697464]Rumor has it that MaCrOs doesn't work here anymore, so The Tall One posted something on the now official ALPA forum. I guess ALPA peeps can't post here any more though.
Anyone know where MaCrOs went? |
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Originally Posted by 272922
(Post 2697464)
Rumor has it that MaCrOs doesn't work here anymore, so The Tall One posted something on the now official ALPA forum. I guess ALPA peeps can't post here any more though.
Anyone know where MaCrOs went? |
Originally Posted by soitgoes
(Post 2698629)
Yeah, I said FLICA/SAP... Poor wording.
Question still stands. Has it been this slow for awhile, or is something else going on? I’m not singling you out in any way, however many of the first officers I fly with have no clue how flica works or how sdo/ccp pay works (including seniority based or first come first served). As for your seniority based bids, the company has until fcfs opens to process the requests since it’s all based on seniority and there’s a 3 day window to bid. It wasn’t until I flew with a captain that showed me how to get 120+ hrs from ccp pay and still have 16+ days off in a month that I figured out the flica inner workings. This lack of experience and knowledge is due to a basically all new pilot group that just doesn’t know yet and there is no training for it. Kind of like when you’re in school, no one teaches you about taxes... you just figure it out. Kind of the same thing here. So it would behoove all of you to ask your captains who have been here longer... and captains it would be great to teach the newer guys how to sap... how to strategize your round 1 initial bid in preparation for the sap so we’re not all just *****ing “ughhhh this thing sucks, pending for 8 hours”. Yes it’s slow and no where near real time but when I started 2.5 years ago it wasn’t being bogged down with garbage trades that have zero chance of going through like it has lately. |
Originally Posted by Urban achiever
(Post 2698899)
I’m not singling you out in any way, however many of the first officers I fly with have no clue how flica works or how sdo/ccp pay works (including seniority based or first come first served).
As for your seniority based bids, the company has until fcfs opens to process the requests since it’s all based on seniority and there’s a 3 day window to bid. It wasn’t until I flew with a captain that showed me how to get 120+ hrs from ccp pay and still have 16+ days off in a month that I figured out the flica inner workings. This lack of experience and knowledge is due to a basically all new pilot group that just doesn’t know yet and there is no training for it. Kind of like when you’re in school, no one teaches you about taxes... you just figure it out. Kind of the same thing here. So it would behoove all of you to ask your captains who have been here longer... and captains it would be great to teach the newer guys how to sap... how to strategize your round 1 initial bid in preparation for the sap so we’re not all just *****ing “ughhhh this thing sucks, pending for 8 hours”. Yes it’s slow and no where near real time but when I started 2.5 years ago it wasn’t being bogged down with garbage trades that have zero chance of going through like it has lately. |
Originally Posted by captande
(Post 2698936)
No one factors in how when people submit 15 requests to drop one trip, it’ll effect the system.
I don’t understand how to make it any clearer. No going under 65, and those requests trying to get rid of 4 at once for 2 trips will never work; nor the 8 variations you’ve put in. |
Originally Posted by captande
(Post 2698936)
No one factors in how when people submit 15 requests to drop one trip, it’ll effect the system.
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Originally Posted by Urban achiever
(Post 2698899)
I’m not singling you out in any way, however many of the first officers I fly with have no clue how flica works or how sdo/ccp pay works (including seniority based or first come first served).
As for your seniority based bids, the company has until fcfs opens to process the requests since it’s all based on seniority and there’s a 3 day window to bid. It wasn’t until I flew with a captain that showed me how to get 120+ hrs from ccp pay and still have 16+ days off in a month that I figured out the flica inner workings. This lack of experience and knowledge is due to a basically all new pilot group that just doesn’t know yet and there is no training for it. Kind of like when you’re in school, no one teaches you about taxes... you just figure it out. Kind of the same thing here. So it would behoove all of you to ask your captains who have been here longer... and captains it would be great to teach the newer guys how to sap... how to strategize your round 1 initial bid in preparation for the sap so we’re not all just *****ing “ughhhh this thing sucks, pending for 8 hours”. Yes it’s slow and no where near real time but when I started 2.5 years ago it wasn’t being bogged down with garbage trades that have zero chance of going through like it has lately. I don't take it as singling out, and you're absolutely correct ... I spent like 2.5 months on Reserve and have been R1 ever since. Between SAP and Mil leave I've had zero use for the Seniority/First-Come (sts) bidding, so my knowledge is lacking in every regard, as this was the first time I'd been "forced" to use it. I would have to imagine that that (scheduling ignorance) would hold true for many people hired in the past one to two years, although I'm sure that I am even more behind the curve. Thanks for the input, and I'll make it a point to dig into the experience of some of the guys in the left seat... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by 05Duramax
(Post 2697794)
So if I'm reading the chart correctly most bases it's 18-24 months between upgrade and actually getting a line? Seems long the way the industry is right now. PSA carry a lot of reserve pilots?
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Originally Posted by Jma313
(Post 2699281)
It seems like roughly half the pilot group is on reserve. I have no numbers to back this up but most people I meet are reservists.
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Originally Posted by Urban achiever
(Post 2699286)
Someone actually ran the numbers. It’s 25% minimum on the Capt side are on reserve. I suspect we need so many due to the 200 always having problems and burning all of them just to keep the gears turning. Except in orf. You’ll never fly there
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Originally Posted by Brinary01
(Post 2699387)
The 200s are not that unreliable, in fact given the age, and cycles on the fleet, they are pretty solid.
I agree with that sentiment about pbs. I’m not opposed to changing things up, as long as we keep the sap and the union has controls in place. |
The 200 are the only plane that has gotten my Junior manned into my day off. I also find there are a few solid 200s then we have our problem child 200s.
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The company knows the 200s are going to go away within the next 3-4 years. From a business perspective why invest large sums of money into keeping them in “tip-top” shape when your revenue doesn’t increase from that investment? 200 trips are hit or miss. Some are smoothe, others are like an unending nightmare of Mx, extensions, hot cabins and min rest overnights.
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 2699899)
The 200 are the only plane that has gotten my Junior manned into my day off. I also find there are a few solid 200s then we have our problem child 200s.
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On FLICA, it seems like the trips aren't being labelled accurately as to which aircraft is assigned to the trip. It often says CRJ, but other times labelled CR2, CR7 or CR9. I checked one flight labelled CRJ, and on AA.com it was actually a 900. When it says CRJ which of the three is it?
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Originally Posted by texinc
(Post 2700260)
On FLICA, it seems like the trips aren't being labelled accurately as to which aircraft is assigned to the trip. It often says CRJ, but other times labelled CR2, CR7 or CR9. I checked one flight labelled CRJ, and on AA.com it was actually a 900. When it says CRJ which of the three is it?
You need to look at the pairing number. Any pairing number that starts with a 2 is a 200 trip, any with a 7 is a 700/900 trip. For example, pairing L2021 would be a 200 trip and L7H38 would be a 700/900 trip. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 2700265)
You need to look at the pairing number. Any pairing number that starts with a 2 is a 200 trip, any with a 7 is a 700/900 trip. For example, pairing L2021 would be a 200 trip and L7H38 would be a 700/900 trip.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Maybe it's dependent on the scheduled pax load, maybe it's just part of that "big picture" we keep hearing about. |
Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 2700265)
You need to look at the pairing number. Any pairing number that starts with a 2 is a 200 trip, any with a 7 is a 700/900 trip. For example, pairing L2021 would be a 200 trip and L7H38 would be a 700/900 trip.
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Originally Posted by tlamjaj
(Post 2700453)
My last trip had a 2 number but was solely 700s :confused:
This will be especially true when we start swapping 200s for 900s. Route-wise, more 200 routes will get shifted to 700s, and some 700s to 900s. Wouldn't be surprised to see more up/down swaps even during the 200 trips in the near future. It's only the LCA 200 trips that scheduling has to worry about... |
Originally Posted by tlamjaj
(Post 2700453)
My last trip had a 2 number but was solely 700s :confused:
If you are on reserve, it doesn’t matter it seems. They will code the pairings as they see fit. I am sure I’ve seen all three during a reserve pairing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 2701182)
If you are on reserve, it doesn’t matter it seems. They will code the pairings as they see fit. I am sure I’ve seen all three during a reserve pairing.
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Originally Posted by Jecain7
(Post 2701208)
Yea while on reserve i'd be excited to see a 700 trip on my schedule only to have a deuce roll up with no APU. Holding a line i've never seen this.
I agree if you are a line holder the pairing codings are the key. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Not sure the best place to post this, couldn’t find anything recent thru search functions... Can anyone speak to the PSA PHL base? How senior is it? How is the QOL? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by LineUp
(Post 2712859)
Not sure the best place to post this, couldn’t find anything recent thru search functions... Can anyone speak to the PSA PHL base? How senior is it? How is the QOL? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Irishblackbird
(Post 2712922)
Go back to about page 47-48 on this thread and there is a spread sheet posted. PHL looks like around 10 months to hold a line as an FO, and 3 and a half years to hold a line as a CA. PHL is a relatively new and small base for PSA. Not sure if your looking for CA or FO. All bases with the exception of ORF on the CA side are north of 3.5 years to hold a line. FO's are approaching a year now with the exception of DAY. Unless we get more planes or attrition picks up, we are getting fat on pilots. I have heard of guys going 2 months or more without flying, on both sides of the cockpit.
There are some who seem to think that AAG will announce further growth beyond the 150 airframes. Or else why would they keep us so fat on pilots? |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 2712935)
Or else why would they keep us so fat on pilots?
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Originally Posted by Malcolm Tent
(Post 2712966)
Maybe AAG Expects increasing attrition as the retirement wave hits. If this were the case you might expect to see all WO’s fat with FOs.
At Piedmont, the opposite seems to be the case. They don't have enough CA's, and they have a bottleneck with training, and guys are leaving that are waiting in the que. In terms of growth at PSA, I don't see this happening beyond the 150 airframes, I think most regional's will actually contract if there is pressure on the pilot supply. No evidence to support my theory, just a hunch. |
Originally Posted by Irishblackbird
(Post 2712922)
Go back to about page 47-48 on this thread and there is a spread sheet posted. PHL looks like around 10 months to hold a line as an FO, and 3 and a half years to hold a line as a CA. PHL is a relatively new and small base for PSA. Not sure if your looking for CA or FO. All bases with the exception of ORF on the CA side are north of 3.5 years to hold a line. FO's are approaching a year now with the exception of DAY. Unless we get more planes or attrition picks up, we are getting fat on pilots. I have heard of guys going 2 months or more without flying, on both sides of the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by 272922
(Post 2697464)
Rumor has it that MaCrOs doesn't work here anymore, so The Tall One posted something on the now official ALPA forum. I guess ALPA peeps can't post here any more though.
I'm not on there presently. Probably missing out on TONS of new gossip and rumors that will never materialize... |
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