Did a little research and I get it now. Very cool. Mucho Respect for all those that went through it.

I’m copying and pasting to make it easier. Also, the 30k-40k reference is not an exaggeration. It’s the norm. If you don’t believe me dig a little deeper and you’ll find more information on the PSA threads along with the Endeavor and Republic threads as well....


If all things were equal I’d say go to PSA for the easier commute...but...things are definitely not equal.

It really comes down to what’s 30k-40k a year worth to you. For me, if I was starting over, 30k-40k extra a year on regional pay would be worth the extra commute to go to Endeavor. But if you have a spouse with a good paying job, or some extra money saved away then maybe it’s not much of an issue for you. I commuted for 3 years as an FO and I didn’t mind it one bit. It all depends on your personal situation. You just have to think what is 30k-40k extra a year worth to you?

Also, I’m pretty sure you could have more days off at Endeavor than PSA even if our SAP worked great and still make more money while doing so, giving you more time at home even with the tougher commute. I’ve heard of Endeavor guys getting 20-22 days off if they want to work the bare minimum. PSA will get you 17 or 18. 19 if you get a little lucky during SAP. Again, what’s 30k-40k worth to you?

SAP is nice, but it’s only nice because it helps fix the crappy schedules we’re awarded with. I guarantee you at least 50% of the schedules at Endeavor are without a doubt better than the number 1 schedule at PSA after SAP with more days off and more credit (even besides the better pay rates) at the same time.

It’s all up to what your priorities are. Like I said before, if everything is equal, PSA would probably be the top choice. But we’re far from equal and only you can decide what the extra money and days off are worth to you at Endeavor.

Sitting at home on reserve (as FO and again as a CA after 18 months) while drawing that O-grade retirement check should make things here bearable. Depending on your mil experience you might not be here too long, if you don't want to and don't mind commuting for a "major."

I’m curious as to why we are still doing vacancy bids for January, I mean I understand that there is a three month lead “lag” time between placing the vacancy bid and being effective to a new base however... last month we all bid for effective January bases and that assumes a FOUR MONTH leading lag time... why is this? Is it because of Christmas time craziness of December? I mean unfortunately for me this is about the time I got experienced enough to understand all the bidding cycles so instead of a three month vacancy change Im having to wait four months... I’m fine with it but it just sucks since typically it’s 3 months not four and I was wondering what that was about?

The next one closes in Oct and will be effective in. Feb, it seems about normal time frame to be honest when all of the January effectives bids all closes in September. I am sure there will be a few Feb effective bids in October.


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I guess I should have clarified, unless I am mistaken which is quite possible I bid for vacancy change in August and was awarded an effective month of January, a four month Lead Time. They are making that the same effective month for the September bidding Which means the August round have to wait four months.

There are usually two bids per month. Exact time from award to effective varies but 3-4 months is within recent norms.

Anybody notice the significant drop in pilot numbers on the seniority list. Just a week ago we had 1850 pilots on the seniority list. I went in to check Flica today for October grid and we have 1791 on the list currently?

Flica may not be counting the pilots who have left for flow...that would account for about 30.

Yeah that’s a lot of movement. Makes me wonder how the class sizes are but I guess it doesn’t matter if they can’t keep up with attrition.

I know the company shrunk classes to around 22-25 by design to keep a backlog from building


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There's also not much growth on the horizon.

From what I've heard we're now properly staffed, so they're starting to get more selective particularly where DUI's and prior 121 failures are concerned.

There was a pinch for Captains for a bit, but Senior maning fixed that.

The next big complaint we're gonna have is everyone having to check in (both reserve and line holders) through the new crew mobile app.

But we're supposed to park 14 deuces in exchange for 14 new 900's in 2019which will be pretty nice if it happens.

Sounds like DCA will become the 200 hub until all that construction is done.

Because of DCA becoming a 200 Base, I see ORF because by a heavy supporter of DCA 200 flying. A lot of my trips in OCT are 200 flying in and out of DCA for October


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Time is from DOH.

What do you think that does to upgrade times for new hires?

Upgrade times recently have been driven by growth (ie fast)

They’re transitioning to the more typical driven by attrition. That will have to make it slower only because there is no way to go faster. Speed depends on attrition which depends on the overall pilot job market.

FO attrition is also influenced by the expedience of becoming a lineholder and/or upgrading.

If the market at the majors/ULCCs stays strong or increases due to retirements, you will start seeing more people with zero 121 PIC getting hired by them.

If we increase flow to 1% per month, one newhire class each month will basically cover the flow plus monthly training attrition. The other would continue slight growth and account for outside attrition.

If we're really fully staffed you'd think we would see our full complement of 150 planes by next summer. I'm not holding my breath, because without a more efficient use of pilots (less reserve more lines) we can't staff 150 planes.

This may be incorrect, but I believe with each vacancy announcement, the number of vacancies match the number of new hires in the class. I know that was true for my and my friend's class this year. So, that would make it seem as if the most class was down to 21.

9/10 class is 18. Let’s see how many vacancies appear on the next bid


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Why not just look at the seniority list; it’s arranged by DOH. Just count the number of people who have the same DOH; that’s your class size. New list in eight days.

What are the details on PHL? Big/Small, Jr/Sr, plans to get more flying?

Small
Newer
More on the junior end but not yet steady state
Growing but who knows how much

I’ve got a chart that shows that for every class since the beginning of 2014. I’ll publish an updated version with the monthly data I usually publish on BSL.


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PSA still has to take 19 CRJ's from Envoy right?

I think 16ish now. Our final count will be 150 airframes.

Thanks again for all the data...

Just a little warning about chasing bases:

There is now a considerable (and hidden) time delay built in to what drives this graph. Bid effective dates are practically 4 months out. [The award that came out at the beginning of October is effective Feb. 1, 2019!]

This means that anyone senior assigned an upgrade to ORF, for example, would be there before that date. Upgrade does not require 4 months. So by the time a junior captain is actually changed to ORF, they could have a bunch of other senior-assigned captains ahead of them. And just 5 additional pilots in a base with only 20-something lines is a big difference!

Additionally, other senior pilots (for example, with more than 2 years here) could have bid for ORF already with bid effective dates of Nov 1, Dec 1, or Jan 1. This would obviously drive up the R1 award time considerably as well.

Both factors combined make R1 seniority predictions all the more difficult when choosing a base...

The award data is all available

There is certainly a lag from bid to base, but who is moving into and out of Norfolk for the next several months is knowable information

Which is why many who are waiting to bid back to certain senior bases are giving it an extra month or two before submitting their bid just to be sure.

Is there a new chart showing time to hold a line?

Rumor has it that MaCrOs doesn't work here anymore, so The Tall One posted something on the now official ALPA forum. I guess ALPA peeps can't post here any more though.



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Almost 2 years to hold a BU line in CVG as an FO? Something doesn't add up.

I just looked at Flica, there's one dude on a CVG FO BU line, and he's sen #863.

must be trying to get displaced every trip to avoid upgrade

There are people doing that, especially thoes trying not to loos their vacation in NOV/DEC.

Crazy that people are doing that to avoid the upgrade that badly cause reserve sucks that much... and it’s not worth the pittance of a pay increase

So if I'm reading the chart correctly most bases it's 18-24 months between upgrade and actually getting a line? Seems long the way the industry is right now. PSA carry a lot of reserve pilots?

It's to hide the root inefficiencies at the scheduling/planning level. Reserve pilots putting out fires left and right. They still operate like a 250 pilot operation in many regards.

Pathetic...

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Not the case... I was on Mil Leave for like seven months, and missed R1 bidding once I came off the re-qual ride.

Then they're being really dumb about it. They'd be better off SAPing into LCA trips while staying as close to 65 hours as possible.