PHL remains the PDT junior base.

Attrition is keeping steady - 40 pilots left April to May.
Net addition of only 11 pilots, lowest in a while.

25 Active Pilots total. Largest from that category in a while.

22 r1 lines for 58 fo’s betw PHL/ORF.

If you come will they build it?

32 started class yesterday and aren't on the list yet. Not too alarming to see only an increase of 11 in that case.

The seniority lists are compiled for each month.
Attrition numbers like these are good to see. This is what was indeed projected. More pilots are being picked up, leaving regionals.
Classes of 30+ have been going on every couple of weeks. But when you have 40 pilots leave, 60 in class (and then a few leave in the first few weeks) you get net addition of 10-20 a month.

As long as that continues, our pilot group should benefit in several ways.

There has been particularly high attrition from recent new hire classes. A surprising amount aren’t making it through training as of late... We have a bunch that seem to not be making it through on their first PC and have to give it a second go. I have heard (but can’t confirm) that a lot of the RTP guys have difficulty with the single-engine hand flown ILS. All the RTP guys I’ve flown with out on the line have been great pilots however and I haven’t seen any issues there.

FWIW, I heard some of them come here to get some CRJ info/training while waiting for a class date somewhere else...

"somewhere" I think there's a crj operator in the southeast that pays pretty good. Not sure who. 🤣

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I thought resigning during initial was a PRIA blackmark?

It's a pilots' market.

So what’s the point of opening bases, tossing a hundred pilots in there. Then only having 10 lines? All while a bunch of overnights are coming in from elsewhere?

If that's the case, it's hurting the company in training costs and staffing with pay increases being the obvious solution. We've got major problems with our compensation if pilots are jumping ship for other regionals that should be considered lateral moves at best.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Consider this scenario. You want to work at FancyJet International because they have a base in Enid, OK. They offer you a CRJ class date three months out. PSA offers you a class date next week. So you come to PSA for three months of paid checkride prep before you start the job you do want at Fancy Jet. Pay increases aren't going to change that.

Agreed. Attrition during classes due to pay isn't the problem. There's a myriad of factors as to what could be attributing to this. Without conducting exit interviews and obtaining *accurate* data, there's no way of knowing why this number has been so high. Only thing you can do is speculate.

That's pretty much in the nutshell. I'm not saying this is due to any airline, although coincidentally, high number of FOs leaving training started occurring after the new 9E contract was voted in. Other airlines have some wait time now as well, so who knows.

If new hires are bailing to Endeaver because of base selection and not pay, our recruiting department needs to do a better job sniffing people out. If I was AA, I would blacklist pilots that made lateral moves from wholly owns within the first year of employment. Tell the applicant up front too, sounds reasonable.

This is only the second month that the bases were open, lets revisit this in August and afterwards.

Could be ASA pilots who were based in Atlanta, but come to PSA because they figure Charlotte is closest thing. Perhaps after they start training in Dayton, the lure of that class date awarded by Endeavor with the chance of being based in ATL and possibly where their house and family live, is just too tempting.

Or they could make the job worth staying for, rather than just acting like thugs.

I agree that there needs to be some sort of assurance to PSA that the pilots hired will stay. Having said that, I think it's a mark of unprofessionalism to jump ship like that. If you elect to take a position at any company, you accept the benefits and the baggage that comes with it. Regardless of who offers better, you showed up for class. Simple as that. It's your responsibility to stick it out for a reasonable amount of time.

Many in the ATP/CTP class were told "You guys know once this is done you don't actually HAVE to come to PSA" by the instructors.
A lot of PSA instructors for initial (Indoc, IPT) are pilots who did not make it through the sim so they're "teaching" while waiting for the next chance.

It goes both ways, PSA can act "unprofessionally" as well.

Besides, there is no letter anyone had to sign that binds you that you HAVE to work at PSA for x amount of time. Even with the bonus - you just have to repay it.

I can think of some easy assurances to make pilot stay.
1. 9E or better pay rates
2. Improve reserve rules (yes, it has been coming for months now, and I'll believe it when I see it)
3. Implement good RIGs so we don't see 15 hour paying 4 days in initial R1 lines (if lines were built efficiently we wouldn't need as many pilots anyway...)

With that you can even get away with not doing. That paper you sign is more of a promise than a contract. It is called a signing bonus, not a stay for 2 years bonus.

That’s anachronistic. There was a time when companies and employees could expect some degree of loyalty from one another. That time has long passed.

Don’t think for a second if Dion’s phone rings with the order to cut employees, that there will be a moment of hesitation to execute. It’s all about money for them...it should be no different for us. That’s simply “business”.

Yep.

Hired by 9E but you don't start until December... Come hang out at Positive Space Airlines until then...

We laugh but I know several that done/doing just that.

Heck, for that matter I'm totally on the fence... take my forced upgrade with below standard pay and crappy reserve rules whose supposed revision date has come and gone or.... jump to Envoy, take my 44k bonus, 3 months paid hotel and positive space commuter tickets.... If I'm going to be forced to upgrade into a base I don't want to sit reserve might as well take 44k+ for the trouble

Exactly right. Force upgrade here or DEC at Envoy. Why not? Flow? Please...

Has the monthly update/excel regarding each base and r1, etc been moved to another thread or discontinued? I haven't seen it lately.

No, but the may one is a very-easy-to-miss clickable link. The picture/chart doesn't display in the thread

Thanks. I'll go back through the thread

It's in here. The next one is coming out in about 10 days. I haven't been able to upload it here since the forum script is broken.

https://ibb.co/ge5EPH

Found it, downloaded it. Follow up question; I saw Dayton is the plane to quickly hold a line. Is there flying available there though? Are guys constantly getting calls and sent to CLT or wherever to fly despite the Dayton basing?

Imgur, then share via BB code. That's how I share all my stuff on BSL.....

Speaking of BSL, time to upload some May Data.....

I will be using it for June data... and doing it alphabetically ;-)

Whats the chance of getting choice base right out of training, focusing on CVG, DAY, PHL?
Clearly they are junior bases, but any word on people getting, or not getting, their top choice even if its junior?

Also, I'll be in CVG area regardless. Would it be better to go for CVG
as base with no commute, or commute to DAY (since its so close) and get R1 quicker?

Or, should I just try for CVG so I'm right there for reserve and only dead with a few months extra working towards R1?

You could go for DAY right out of training, then shift to CVG when you're more solidly in R1 territory. Either way, getting any of the bases you mentioned very soon is very probable. You're in a good spot.

CVG (which should be accessible immediately)

Reserve from your house is infinitely better than reserve from a hotel.

Thanks guys

It might take you 1-4 bids to get what your heart desires depending on which base you bid.

One can easily do reserve in DAY if they live in the Cincinnati area....particularly on the North side of town. It’s a 2-hour callout.

Was just curious if the June data is already posted somewhere and I’m not seeing it?