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Originally Posted by CSFletch
(Post 2570238)
How Junior?
I suspect there may be some significant movement out of Charlotte. |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 2570439)
This was the first ever bid for the norfolk base and it's quite small (like 5% the size of Charlotte). If you look at the time to R1 history graph a few slides up you can see DCA started super junior and went mid-pack over several months. Probably something similar in store here.
I suspect there may be some significant movement out of Charlotte. |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 2570439)
I suspect there may be some significant movement out of Charlotte.
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Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2571016)
When you say "movement" are you referring to people choosing to change domiciles to PHL / ORF or the company moving lines from CLT to those bases?
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Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2571016)
When you say "movement" are you referring to people choosing to change domiciles to PHL / ORF or the company moving lines from CLT to those bases?
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Originally Posted by blackhawk88
(Post 2571017)
I know at least two CLT based guys who live close by ORF but haven't transferred yet just to see what's going to happen. Good call on their part though. Company overestimated the number of lines they were going to start off those two bases with. Looks like it's all going to be 7/9 in both domiciles. Anyone know if it's going to stay that way?
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May 2018 snapshot. Forum has a bug in the upload script so I can't upload it but here is the link to it:
https://ibb.co/ge5EPH |
No long call reserve seems to be a contract violation
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Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 2578932)
May 2018 snapshot. Forum has a bug in the upload script so I can't upload it but here is the link to it:
https://ibb.co/ge5EPH And my OCD is really asking for alphabetical order. ;) |
Originally Posted by TallFlyer
(Post 2578963)
Imgur is your friend.....
And my OCD is really asking for alphabetical order. ;) |
Dumb question how many round 1 lines in Philly so far?
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Originally Posted by botbot
(Post 2579073)
Dumb question how many round 1 lines in Philly so far?
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13 FO training washouts? Isn't that like 30% of the average class size?
This isn't the first month I've seen that. Last month was 11 I think. People have asked in the past but I have to ask again -- is this normal? Would love to know the causes for these latest washouts. Any flies on the wall care to comment? |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2579475)
13 FO training washouts? Isn't that like 30% of the average class size?
This isn't the first month I've seen that. Last month was 11 I think. People have asked in the past but I have to ask again -- is this normal? Would love to know the causes for these latest washouts. Any flies on the wall care to comment? B. Not necessarily washouts. C. When you hire anyone who throws an app in, there's bound to be some culling in the classroom. I'll rephrase, there had better be some culling in the classroom. |
Originally Posted by IcelandicHammer
(Post 2579479)
A. Not necessarily from a single class.
B. Not necessarily washouts. C. When you hire anyone who throws an app in, there's bound to be some culling in the classroom. I'll rephrase, there had better be some culling in the classroom. Yeah the whole thing about washing out of training... if everyone was making it through continuously, I’m not sure i’d be comfortable sitting in back. We’ve all met that guy or gal in aviation who somehow made it as far as they have miraculously unscathed. If anyone’s worried about that number that aren’t making it, believe me... it’s for a damn good reason. The instructors will give you every opportunity to pass, even came in on days off to run through IPT before our actual scheduled lessons so we’d do better when it mattered. I get it though, as the well dries up... you’re going to have to sift some out from the bottom. |
Regarding FOs who left during training phase...
It is not a single class. It covers all phases including IOE (so 2-3 months span). We can also speculate on various reasons for leaving. Just some on the top of my head (besides washing out) - personal issues, found a better offer somewhere else, if qualified for CA went to Envoy or Piedmont for a lot better bonus... |
In a nutshell....
What is the likelihood of getting a PHL base for a new FO? I ask because I'm thinking of returning to airline flying and PHL is really the only commutable option for me.
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Originally Posted by StateVector
(Post 2579733)
What is the likelihood of getting a PHL base for a new FO? I ask because I'm thinking of returning to airline flying and PHL is really the only commutable option for me.
1. Air Whiskey left so that's a plus 2. Piedmont has a big jet presence so that's a minus 3. Mainline is starting few more int'l destinations from PHL so that's a plus for the feeders |
Originally Posted by StateVector
(Post 2579733)
What is the likelihood of getting a PHL base for a new FO? I ask because I'm thinking of returning to airline flying and PHL is really the only commutable option for me.
I doubt PHL will become senior. The opening of PHL was a smart move for recruitment. It's strategic to keep PHL junior by increasing the lines and trips based on the pilot demand. If it gets senior, more lines and vacancies can be added to bring it back towards the junior side. DCA is proof of this model, it's not a big base but large enough to stay junior for captains and FOs. For new comer planning purposes, I would assume you can get PHL shortly after training and hold it as a junior CA. |
Originally Posted by joseolay
(Post 2579769)
The number of lines and PHL trips is not pegged to the amount of departures and block hours we have out of PHL. PHL trips can flow into other hubs just as CLT and DCA trips can flow into PHL.
I doubt PHL will become senior. The opening of PHL was a smart move for recruitment. It's strategic to keep PHL junior by increasing the lines and trips based on the pilot demand. If it gets senior, more lines and vacancies can be added to bring it back towards the junior side. DCA is proof of this model, it's not a big base but large enough to stay junior for captains and FOs. For new comer planning purposes, I would assume you can get PHL shortly after training and hold it as a junior CA. for april and may i have a good amount of phl flying on the 700/900. some of it actually goes through dca and ord as well. finally some trips that aren't entirely the clt shuffle. for ref. i am clt based and live there. |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 2578951)
No long call reserve seems to be a contract violation
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Did we decrease the actual flying in CLT? I know we reduced the lines, but it seems like a lot of PHL/ORF trips still go through CLT.
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Originally Posted by blackhawk88
(Post 2581658)
Did we decrease the actual flying in CLT? I know we reduced the lines, but it seems like a lot of PHL/ORF trips still go through CLT.
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 2581833)
Isn't that sort of decision is entirely AA mainline.
Mainline gives us our flying, but bases and trips are a function of PSA Crew Planning. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
So the latest vacancy bid has an effective date (Sept 1) of more than 4 months in the future!!
Does this not give an unfair advantage to new hires over present employees? They can finish training and get to a base of their choosing faster than a line pilot can change bases. Is the union working to do anything about this? People have stuff going on in their life, and more than 4 months to change a base seems kind of absurd...especially considering all the movement that's going on anyways at PSA. Besides, it's not like the company can really plan stuff that far out anyways... |
Not on the union’s radar that I know of. Also, since every FO essentially bids on every vacancy, it does not favor new hires. I do agree that it seems like far out in the future.
All I know is that as of 8/1 I’m back in CLT. ;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 2582185)
So the latest vacancy bid has an effective date (Sept 1) of more than 4 months in the future!!
Does this not give an unfair advantage to new hires over present employees? They can finish training and get to a base of their choosing faster than a line pilot can change bases. Is the union working to do anything about this? People have stuff going on in their life, and more than 4 months to change a base seems kind of absurd...especially considering all the movement that's going on anyways at PSA. Besides, it's not like the company can really plan stuff that far out anyways... How does a new hire have an advantage when a line pilot has a higher seniority?? Just bid into the base and bump a new hire.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 2582357)
How does a new hire have an advantage when a line pilot has a higher seniority?? Just bid into the base and bump a new hire....
I fully realize that the more senior pilot gets awarded the base they want ahead of any newhire (in terms of priority), but my point is that a new hire can actually GET TO a base faster (in terms of calendar time) than someone already at PSA. Life happens, sometimes pilots need to change bases without 4 months notice. More than 4 months out for a bid effective date (Sept 1) is a little ridiculous... |
Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 2582377)
Let me spell it out. A person can be hired and complete training and possibly be in the base they choose in about 3 months. The quickest a more senior lineholder can change bases is now over 4 months (Sept 1) as of the last bid. That means that a new hire can possibly get to a base they choose quicker than someone already at PSA can change bases. [That's what "Bid effective on XX (date) or upon completion of SIM for someone showing new hire status..." actually means.]
I fully realize that the more senior pilot gets awarded the base they want ahead of any newhire (in terms of priority), but my point is that a new hire can actually GET TO a base faster (in terms of calendar time) than someone already at PSA. Life happens, sometimes pilots need to change bases without 4 months notice. More than 4 months out for a bid effective date (Sept 1) is a little ridiculous... be thankful for what you have and all that jazz... |
Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 2582377)
Let me spell it out. A person can be hired and complete training and possibly be in the base they choose in about 3 months. The quickest a more senior lineholder can change bases is now over 4 months (Sept 1) as of the last bid. That means that a new hire can possibly get to a base they choose quicker than someone already at PSA can change bases. [That's what "Bid effective on XX (date) or upon completion of SIM for someone showing new hire status..." actually means.]
I fully realize that the more senior pilot gets awarded the base they want ahead of any newhire (in terms of priority), but my point is that a new hire can actually GET TO a base faster (in terms of calendar time) than someone already at PSA. Life happens, sometimes pilots need to change bases without 4 months notice. More than 4 months out for a bid effective date (Sept 1) is a little ridiculous... I don't see a difference, current pilots just have to big their bases Months out same as New Hires.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It’s actually quite fortunate that the contract, bid process, and company allows pilots to change bases AT ALL. To be fair, I’m not familiar with another heavily unionized industry that allows employees to change their role in this fashion.
I get the argument, that senior line holders should be able to move over in less time that four months. Is there a way to “trade” bases with another individual? Say an R1 CA at TYS and an R1 CA at CLT want to swap places. Does this still get subjected to that whole system? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by MarkVI
(Post 2582711)
It’s actually quite fortunate that the contract, bid process, and company allows pilots to change bases AT ALL. To be fair, I’m not familiar with another heavily unionized industry that allows employees to change their role in this fashion.
I get the argument, that senior line holders should be able to move over in less time that four months. Is there a way to “trade” bases with another individual? Say an R1 CA at TYS and an R1 CA at CLT want to swap places. Does this still get subjected to that whole system? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We can't have nice things because people abuse it. We have lots of things that would be better if people stopped abusing it. |
What’s the most jr base as of right now in both seats?
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see semi-hidden link to May bid stats a few pages up.
FO’s are all over. Captains are kind of a mess because of newly opened bases and a number of people who bid it straight out of training. Short and mostly accurate answer to both is Dayton |
Originally Posted by MarkVI
(Post 2582711)
I get the argument, that senior line holders should be able to move over in less time that four months. Is there a way to “trade” bases with another individual?
Say an R1 CA at TYS and an R1 CA at CLT want to swap places. Does this still get subjected to that whole system? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 2582844)
see semi-hidden link to May bid stats a few pages up.
FO’s are all over. Captains are kind of a mess because of newly opened bases and a number of people who bid it straight out of training. Short and mostly accurate answer to both is Dayton Seven new CAs just all got senior-assigned to ORF with their forced upgrade. I doubt they all expected that... |
ORF is weird. The company is not staffing it like it's going to keep having 9 R1 lines but people are bidding like it will.
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Originally Posted by StateVector
(Post 2579733)
What is the likelihood of getting a PHL base for a new FO? I ask because I'm thinking of returning to airline flying and PHL is really the only commutable option for me.
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
(Post 2586663)
If you want PHL go to Piedmont. Your guaranteed to get it.
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CLT has “opened” and it went very senior. So yes, PHL 99% chance still.
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