Heard about half the December class washed out. Looking at the last several months it shows 4 Feb, 11 March so 7 in April is probably within norms.

As of right now, they are pushing to send folks through on the 200s. There is a backlog in the 700/900 training pipeline . My class (feb 26) 3 pairs were sent home for 2 weeks and the rest 4 weeks. The class after us got assigned the 200 training pipeline, so the delays are going to be bit different to say at least.


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Well, per the seniority list, you heard wrong.

As of the March list, we hired 65 people in December in two classes, and 7 are no longer with us between the two classes. 66 in November, and 8 gone. 62 in October, and 10 of those are no longer here.

If anyone wants to see the data going back to 2014, I'll put it on BSL.

FYI according to my data, we hired 642 people in 2014, and 357 of those are still with us. We hired 678 in 2017, and 569 are still here.

Over 13 years for TYS FO LCR? That's painful.

Well I'm not sure if that was a typo on the seniority list but for one LCR line it showed hire date 2004, which doesn't really make sense but it is what it is...

Yeah and I thought I had a good chance of LCR in TYS this month.....but, on the flipside I'll take TYS being 2nd most junior for FO R1!

Was seniority the decider on who went were? Or luck of the draw

I think someone was probably ineligible during first round bidding and didn't like the BU lines. Also we have a CA and FO with the exact same name but different seniority numbers (unfortunately, for the more junior).

2004 hire or typo
 

Why would it appear on the grid at all? I thought these were ‘most junior guy’ to hold each slot. In which case a 2004 hire would be of no interest.

What am I missing?

You are correct - That is what the Excel picked up. The FO that has the exact same name as the CA - it went off the first instance. It should be 8/14/17 for the LCR in TYS.

Corrected April 2018 Snapshot (fixed TYS LCR date)

Did someone say Excel? ;)

lol...

Excel!!!

It was based on seniority. Everyone in the class has the same start date, but seniority # is based on age. Oldest is most senior.

Thank you so much to all involved with the chart

Seems as if lately they are now looking to push folks down the 200 path now


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I think we were told that they couldn't get enough 700/900 sim time to keep up with the class sizes. They were able to buy more 200 time, so our entire class is going 200 initial and 700/900 differences.

Whatever works, I'm just happy to be here. :)

Any benefit to learning one over the other initially?

As of right now all upgrades are done on the 200. The 200 systems are less automated. Everyone I hear from says it's better to do the 200 first due to the more complicated nature of the manual systems.

I agree. Think of it as learning manual before automatic.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think it is way weasier to learn the 200 first.

Let's just say, I would have went the 200 route if I had a choice


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All upgrades are done at the 200 sim in CVG?

Yes


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Crap, time to hold a line just keeps building and building.

It is what it is. Best not complain to the guys who spent 5-6 years on reserve back in the day or you might get an earful. Although that said, those guys are mostly flowing now, if they're still here.

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What is the reason these people aren’t making it through?

From my experience I can say coming from another regional the training was harder then it needed to be, actually it was quite painful and was so happy to be done. You know something’s not rite when the second intial is harder then the first with a 1000 hrs in type. There is a lot of things that could be Improved upon but it’s PSA way PSA pay rite lol.

So with that being said would you suggest someone brand new to the regionals straight out of ATP flight school coming to PSA? Or would you suggest a different regional?

As I pointed out earlier, someone people have decided to inflate the washout rate. Having talked to both recruiters and people in the training department, they anticipate a 10-15% washout rate. That's not terrible.

If PSA works for you in your situation, come on over. we'll have close to 1,800 pilots on the seniority list that came before you, and somehow miraculously made it through training. Many fresh CFIs or other low timers right at the mins.

In short, don't believe all the scare mongering from anonymous people on the internet. We may have some issues, but our training department is not one of them, except perhaps for training capacity.

No, I understand your point of view, and that of generations past where the time wasn't months, but years. But in the context of now since that's what we're dealing with, I can only assume that the increase in time is due to the larger numbers being hired now than in the previous 3-5 years. And that's probably linked to some degree to both the improved pay and introducing of the RTP.

It doesn't change the fact that quick time to get off reserve is one of (not the only) driving factors when choosing a regional.

Are these times expected to decrease once the Norfolk and Philly bases are fully online?

Reserve is temporary, and currently, fleeting. Where you are based and commuting issues are MUCH more important topics.

Probably. We'll know in about three weeks when the first line awards for ORF and PHL are published. Heck, R1 awards are published long before that. Maybe someone could be convinced to post that info sooner.

Norfolk and Philly are going to be in flux for several months and probably will produce some weird stuff. If you see Jul'17 captains holding R1 lines ... that will go away.

But adding bases per se isn't likely to change the time to hold an R1 line which is a function of the company-wide number of R1 lines, the number of FO's senior to you and which one of those things changes fastest.

Plenty of people with zero jet experience have made it through just fine.

Running an 8 month average to *round 1* from DOH is nothing to complain about. And I’m like you, still sitting on the bench awaiting indoc.

Got hired with less than 29hrs of multi time and had never flown a jet. Was told “we’d like to see more multi time... but since you meet the minimums you’re hired!!”. The ATP sim time counts towards the required amount

If I can make it...

Is your username a Lebowski reference?

This sitting and waiting is an indication that pilot staffing is not the problem keeping PSA from growing faster. Hopefully, now that the mechanics are getting paid better, we can continue more easily on the growth trajectory.

In all fairness, it must be noted that FA pay and retention needs to seriously improve as well...

the FA pay is a depressing thing to look at. yikes.

That’s just like... your opinion, man.




Yes it is.