blackhawk88

Thoughts?

Commuting with reduced schedules to sit short call out of base isn't exactly ideal but so is taking a pay cut to wait for another upgrade opportunity.

captande

If you’re senior to me, I think you should take the downgrade .

In seriousness, you’d have to look at the cost benefit. Days at home, Crashpads vs Hotels, no hotels allowance, ect.

blackhawk88

Haha I’m a 1Q 2017 hire so I do have about 300 CAs below me, but the bigger question is if I could hold it in the base I want. I assume with TYS closing my hub base will be even more popular. Lol

ZeroTT

Has it been confirmed you can electively downgrade. The contract seems fuzzy on that to me

also 1q 2017 is 700 at worst. You are likely to be able to hold ca scr in any hub

blackhawk88

Only time will tell. I think we can downgrade based on the PowerPoint they sent out.

Pilot Dad

What if I told you voluntary downgrades meant being an FO forever and you could only upgrade if you went somewhere offering Direct Entry Captains?


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Swakid8

Please downgrade so that I can stay in the left seat.

Happyflyer

With a vacancy, can't just downgrade and displace, unless your being displaced.

ZeroTT

lot of captains will be displaced from CLT but could hold dca/phl CA. Can they choose CLT FO?

Happyflyer

Yes, they can displace to any position their seniority can hold. Without the company "agreeing".

"A voluntary downgrade", or a Captain that is not being displaced being awarded a first officer vacancy, can be authorized by the company. There is no provision for that pilot to displace anyone though.


Looks like the base rights paragraph reads:

If a pilot is displaced out of base he will have first rights to return to his original seat/base.

If a pilot is displaced out of his seat and not his base then he will have to wait until all pilots junior and senior to him return that were displaced out of base/seat before he can exercise his seniority to upgrade to his former seat.

Basically if you displace to CLT FO you will get skipped until all current CLT CA return from wherever they went.

The CLT CAs that were displaced to DCA CA a few years ago and could not displace to CLT FO, were trapped under the "transfer of flying bid" where the pilots are forced to follow the planes.
This is a "reduction of flying" bid.


IMO the union needs to negotiate that a senior pilot can take the displacement of a junior pilot.

There may be senior CLT CA who may like to displace into DAY, who can't because they're too senior to be displaced from CLT, then there are junior CLT CA who don't want to be displaced out of CLT, and both could be senior to the affected DAY CA.