"dontflyforpsa.com" website validity?
10-21-2022, 10:03 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by NotaPSApilot69
The training at my current airline was awesome and so low stress. I learned way more and actually enjoyed it compared to the stressed out way PSA ran it. When it came to my company's version of the KV they prepared me well by telling me what I needed to study rather than the way PSA prepared me which was I was told know everything. The grass really is greener on the other side. My current airline wants you to be there where it felt like at PSA they hated you and wanted you to fail. I still keep in contact with a lot of the guys I went through initial training at PSA and they all agree its way way better not being at PSA now that almost everyone has moved onto a major. I've talked many people into going to another regional instead of PSA and a lot that are still at PSA to get out while they can. I highly suggest to anyone wanting to be hired at a regional go anywhere other than PSA for their regional experience.
And what you said here, and the few posts above you, is spot on. There is a way to teach to atp standards, and there is a way to train pilots safely, WITHOUT failing the person for an item that could've been a debrief, or having subjective standards.
Just look at every other airline. Even Mesa, the safest regional of all even though they hire washouts.
They ALL do it better than PSA. At the majors or legacies, or other regional, it is more of a gentleman's checkride.
There is a reason why almost 100% of PSA washouts prevail at other airlines. Having a psa failure SHOULD NOT even be added to your PRD/PRIA. It's that bad.
10-21-2022, 10:24 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by MYOB
Fantastic post. This says it all.
And what you said here, and the few posts above you, is spot on. There is a way to teach to atp standards, and there is a way to train pilots safely, WITHOUT failing the person for an item that could've been a debrief, or having subjective standards.
Just look at every other airline. Even Mesa, the safest regional of all even though they hire washouts.
They ALL do it better than PSA. At the majors or legacies, or other regional, it is more of a gentleman's checkride.
There is a reason why almost 100% of PSA washouts prevail at other airlines. Having a psa failure SHOULD NOT even be added to your PRD/PRIA. It's that bad.
And what you said here, and the few posts above you, is spot on. There is a way to teach to atp standards, and there is a way to train pilots safely, WITHOUT failing the person for an item that could've been a debrief, or having subjective standards.
Just look at every other airline. Even Mesa, the safest regional of all even though they hire washouts.
They ALL do it better than PSA. At the majors or legacies, or other regional, it is more of a gentleman's checkride.
There is a reason why almost 100% of PSA washouts prevail at other airlines. Having a psa failure SHOULD NOT even be added to your PRD/PRIA. It's that bad.
10-21-2022, 11:21 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by WhyIFly
So for the thousands that have passed training at PSA in the last 10 years...nearly 93% of all that started...what would you say to them? Were they all just really lucky? Hahaha.
10-21-2022, 11:41 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by Clipper88
they were probably white male conservatives and were given an easy pass.
Or, they were just halfway decent pilots that studied and knew what they were doing, had a good attitude, and studied.
I will guarantee if you examine all of the washouts, one thing will become clear. Those that wash out either had a bad attitude or didn't put forth the required effort.
10-21-2022, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyIFly
Or, they were just halfway decent pilots that studied and knew what they were doing, had a good attitude, and studied.
I will guarantee if you examine all of the washouts, one thing will become clear. Those that wash out either had a bad attitude or didn't put forth the required effort.
I will guarantee if you examine all of the washouts, one thing will become clear. Those that wash out either had a bad attitude or didn't put forth the required effort.
we literally have three times as many flows, procedures, and callouts as the CRJ. Don’t believe me? You’re welcome to come jumpseat!
When I interviewed Dash 8 Q400 classes were immediately available. However many pilots would chose the “easy” route and wait months for a seat in a E175/CRJ class at another regional.
their easy peasy ERJ175 type rating will come back to bite them when they’re assigned the B737 at a major.
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10-21-2022, 11:54 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by MYOB
Fantastic post. This says it all.
And what you said here, and the few posts above you, is spot on. There is a way to teach to atp standards, and there is a way to train pilots safely, WITHOUT failing the person for an item that could've been a debrief, or having subjective standards.
Just look at every other airline. Even Mesa, the safest regional of all even though they hire washouts.
They ALL do it better than PSA. At the majors or legacies, or other regional, it is more of a gentleman's checkride.
There is a reason why almost 100% of PSA washouts prevail at other airlines. Having a psa failure SHOULD NOT even be added to your PRD/PRIA. It's that bad.
And what you said here, and the few posts above you, is spot on. There is a way to teach to atp standards, and there is a way to train pilots safely, WITHOUT failing the person for an item that could've been a debrief, or having subjective standards.
Just look at every other airline. Even Mesa, the safest regional of all even though they hire washouts.
They ALL do it better than PSA. At the majors or legacies, or other regional, it is more of a gentleman's checkride.
There is a reason why almost 100% of PSA washouts prevail at other airlines. Having a psa failure SHOULD NOT even be added to your PRD/PRIA. It's that bad.
Don't believe these washouts. If PSA has a base where you want to live, the CRJ is a great aircraft and PSA is like most other top tier regionals. It's still a regional so they all suck, BUT if you live in their base it's not a bad place to get your time and move on. The Legacies know how strong PSAs training department is. It's not wonder so many PSA pilots get hired at the most competitive airlines in the world. Mesa, not so much.
10-21-2022, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Throwitaway
∆ This loser washed out of PSA and only Mesa would take them. It's a common theme. Can't meet standards and end up where a lot of other losers end up. Bottom barrel Mesa who will take anyone to fill the seat. It takes a real bad actor to make a website and publicly slander another pilot to the gross extent they did. Enjoy scraping by for the rest of your career. In an environment where every legacy is hiring zero PIC and no degree, this person can't pass an interview. Go figure.
Don't believe these washouts. If PSA has a base where you want to live, the CRJ is a great aircraft and PSA is like most other top tier regionals. It's still a regional so they all suck, BUT if you live in their base it's not a bad place to get your time and move on. The Legacies know how strong PSAs training department is. It's not wonder so many PSA pilots get hired at the most competitive airlines in the world. Mesa, not so much.
Don't believe these washouts. If PSA has a base where you want to live, the CRJ is a great aircraft and PSA is like most other top tier regionals. It's still a regional so they all suck, BUT if you live in their base it's not a bad place to get your time and move on. The Legacies know how strong PSAs training department is. It's not wonder so many PSA pilots get hired at the most competitive airlines in the world. Mesa, not so much.
10-21-2022, 01:00 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Throwitaway
∆ This loser washed out of PSA and only Mesa would take them. It's a common theme. Can't meet standards and end up where a lot of other losers end up. Bottom barrel Mesa who will take anyone to fill the seat. It takes a real bad actor to make a website and publicly slander another pilot to the gross extent they did. Enjoy scraping by for the rest of your career. In an environment where every legacy is hiring zero PIC and no degree, this person can't pass an interview. Go figure.
Don't believe these washouts. If PSA has a base where you want to live, the CRJ is a great aircraft and PSA is like most other top tier regionals. It's still a regional so they all suck, BUT if you live in their base it's not a bad place to get your time and move on. The Legacies know how strong PSAs training department is. It's not wonder so many PSA pilots get hired at the most competitive airlines in the world. Mesa, not so much.
Don't believe these washouts. If PSA has a base where you want to live, the CRJ is a great aircraft and PSA is like most other top tier regionals. It's still a regional so they all suck, BUT if you live in their base it's not a bad place to get your time and move on. The Legacies know how strong PSAs training department is. It's not wonder so many PSA pilots get hired at the most competitive airlines in the world. Mesa, not so much.
If you're talking about old Mesa, THANK GOD they gave washouts a chance, because as we see with PSA's training, they washout even the most skilled pilots.
I went from PSA (I resigned from there and can agree with everything everyone negative here is saying about the training department)
To Mesa (THANK GOD they gave me a chance to prove I am actually a safe and competent pilot)
To Jetblue (Wow Mesa and Jet blue's training is NOTHING like PSA, what everyone here is saying again is true, that literally every other airline trains pilots the right way, safely)
To United (on par with Mesa and Jetblue training).
No airline I've been to matches the crap quality of training PSA has had.
10-21-2022, 01:05 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by 2minutes
Mesa isn't the only one who flies the e175. Anyway, what's so bad about Mesa? They have a top tier training program, much better than PSA's, they are the safest regional out there (it's true), and they are now the highest paid regional.
If you're talking about old Mesa, THANK GOD they gave washouts a chance, because as we see with PSA's training, they washout even the most skilled pilots.
If you're talking about old Mesa, THANK GOD they gave washouts a chance, because as we see with PSA's training, they washout even the most skilled pilots.
10-21-2022, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
Mesa recently had their aqp pulled by the feds. Wouldn't call their training good.
If you've never been to Mesa training, you can't comment about them.
Only reason AQP was removed for recurrent was because they had someone giving the checkrides who wasn't qualified to, so they lost AQP.
I went from psa > Mesa > jetblue > united and I can honestly say Mesa matches United and Jetblue in terms of quality of training.
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