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El Dorado 06-12-2015 09:28 AM

I interviewed at PSA this week
 
for those of you who are wondering what's going on there, here are my notes from the interview:

17 CRJ 700 from Envoy, currently 2/mo, with possibility for 3/mo

AFTER all of those are received, 24 CRJ 900 straight from bombardier,

Next is 30 CR7 from Envoy.


NO plans to reduce CRJ 200 flying or have any leave the fleet. Currently on lease until 2018 or 2019.

BNA is the next rumored base, but no one that knows anything will comment. However, it will NOT be ORD or NYC area. BNA makes sense to them because of the MX base there.

One of the first things mentioned during the presentation was that they ARE currently hiring FOs, however they will all be placed in to a hiring pool, and we will be ranked during the interview.

Current focus is on hiring/training captains, may run a few small classes this summer of 10-20 FOs. Hoping to resume regular FO training classes in September, but no firm date.

Currently PSA has a lack of check airman and sim instructors, the majors are scooping them all up.

I have a friend at PSA who completed his ATP ride yesterday, it was his SIM instructor's last day, he's leaving for FedEx.


7 interviewees at CLT, one no show. All were cool guys, would have enjoyed flying with each of them. 1 current MIL guy about to separate, 1 in CLT ANG.

2 guys had thousands of hours of time, including 121, but both had been out of flying for around a year, and not current.

A few guys had 1000-1300 hours, told to call back when they have the time, one told me that they insinuated (but never directly said you're hired), that he would be offered a class in September when he has the time.

I am 135 current and flying the LR31 and Ce550/560, with 1486 hours. I was told to check my email for further communications, but not to expect anything sooner than 2 weeks from the interview date.

I like to think that I am a desirable candidate, with strong potential to pass training with minimal issues.

I will be in Mesa's 6/25 class on the CRJ 7/9.

Proof, in case anyone wants it:

http://i.imgur.com/rDL8jd1.jpg

RJ Pilot 06-12-2015 09:31 AM

Seems like you are new to the Regional Game.

Make a wise choice.....

joek 06-12-2015 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by El Dorado (Post 1902969)
for those of you who are wondering what's going on there, here are my notes from the interview:

17 CRJ 700 from Envoy, currently 2/mo, with possibility for 3/mo

AFTER all of those are received, 24 CRJ 900 straight from bombardier,

Next is 30 CR7 from Envoy.


NO plans to reduce CRJ 200 flying or have any leave the fleet. Currently on lease until 2018 or 2019.

BNA is the next rumored base, but no one that knows anything will comment. However, it will NOT be ORD or NYC area. BNA makes sense to them because of the MX base there.

One of the first things mentioned during the presentation was that they ARE currently hiring FOs, however they will all be placed in to a hiring pool, and we will be ranked during the interview.

Current focus is on hiring/training captains, may run a few small classes this summer of 10-20 FOs. Hoping to resume regular FO training classes in September, but no firm date.

Currently PSA has a lack of check airman and sim instructors, the majors are scooping them all up.

I have a friend at PSA who completed his ATP ride yesterday, it was his SIM instructor's last day, he's leaving for FedEx.


7 interviewees at CLT, one no show. All were cool guys, would have enjoyed flying with each of them. 1 current MIL guy about to separate, 1 in CLT ANG.

2 guys had thousands of hours of time, including 121, but both had been out of flying for around a year, and not current.

A few guys had 1000-1300 hours, told to call back when they have the time, one told me that they insinuated (but never directly said you're hired), that he would be offered a class in September when he has the time.

I am 135 current and flying the LR31 and Ce550/560, with 1486 hours. I was told to check my email for further communications, but not to expect anything sooner than 2 weeks from the interview date.

I like to think that I am a desirable candidate, with strong potential to pass training with minimal issues.

I will be in Mesa's 6/25 class on the CRJ 7/9.

Proof, in case anyone wants it:

http://i.imgur.com/rDL8jd1.jpg

Don't sit around waiting on PSA. PSA created their own mess by not hiring check airmen and sim instructors sooner. Good friend of mine is at Mesa and loves it- DFW based.

PilotCrusader 06-12-2015 09:56 AM

Not a big fan of Mesa but if you really need to decide between just those two, it's the better choice right now IMO.

joek 06-12-2015 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1903001)
Not a big fan of Mesa but if you really need to decide between just those two, it's the better choice right now IMO.

At least with Mesa he's not stuck in a wholly owned with a crap interview/ flow.

PilotCrusader 06-12-2015 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by joek (Post 1903003)
At least with Mesa he's not stuck in a wholly owned with a crap interview/ flow.

Yeah if he wanted a good wholly owned and flow, he should have gone to Envoy!

diva 06-12-2015 10:02 AM

You forgot to mention PSA has NO flow-through agreement. All they have is a bs guarantee AA interview at a rate of 4/month which will take about...hmm.. +20 years. :eek: (1200active/4/mnth). Now imagine you screw up the interview and get rejected the position at AA after +20 years of waiting!? :eek:

If I was a new hire I'd choose a regional with a Actual Guarantee Flow-Through agreement (NO interview required) to AA. Envoy (gets 50% of all AA classes, 30/month) or Piedmont (3 per month). Think ahead & be ahead of the curve.

Good luck to you all ! :D

El Dorado 06-12-2015 10:08 AM

I accepted Mesa's class date yesterday!

jdflyer1999 06-12-2015 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by diva (Post 1903005)
You forgot to mention PSA has NO flow-through agreement. All they have is a bs guarantee AA interview at a rate of 4/month which will take about...hmm.. +20 years. :eek: (1200active/4/mnth). Now imagine you screw up the interview and get rejected the position at AA after +20 years of waiting!? :eek:

And a PSA pilot is ineligible to interview at AA any other way.

FaceBiter 06-12-2015 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by El Dorado (Post 1903010)
I accepted Mesa's class date yesterday!

Apparently you got da gouge and bulked up on cell minutes. Congratz!!!!!11!!

HobGoblin 06-12-2015 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by jdflyer1999 (Post 1903013)
And a PSA pilot is ineligible to interview at AA any other way.

Can a PSA guy actually confirm this?

El Dorado 06-12-2015 10:19 AM

Much better than my current 12/2 schedule, flying 8-10 days a month and 20-40hrs. It's hard to be proficient when this is the case. Also at my current rate it would be 3-4 years before I make captain. I'm taking a pay and benefit cut to go to any regional, but I'm looking at is like a 3-4 internship for that job I really want down the road.

joek 06-12-2015 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1903004)
Yeah if he wanted a good wholly owned and flow, he should have gone to Envoy!

Sure, I don't care either way.

Dunkin 06-12-2015 10:40 AM

He is going to regret it when all AA hiring is done through the wholly owned regionals and he is stuck fighting everyone else for UAL or Delta.

El Dorado 06-12-2015 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1903055)
He is going to regret it when all AA hiring is done through the wholly owned regionals and he is stuck fighting everyone else for UAL or Delta.

I want to get back to 91/135 on larger equipment. Most of the jobs I'd like require 3500-4500 hours and turbine PIC.

I want to fly Challengers, Falcons, or G things. I have contacts in the industry and have networked well, but I can't get a job flying anything larger than what I am until I have more time.

pitchtrim 06-12-2015 10:50 AM

Yeah an internship where you are responsible for a multi million dollar piece of equipment, 100s of lives per day, and have previous education and extensive training. Why expect to get paid for that when you can just do it for next to nothing. Welcome to the regionals.

Skyvector 06-12-2015 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by El Dorado (Post 1903010)
I accepted Mesa's class date yesterday!

You made a HUGE mistake by narrowing your choices down to PSA or Mesa. Either way you were screwed. At this point I would tell you to apply somewhere else before even starting class at Mesa...but I have a funny feeling it will fall on deaf ears. So let me just say this: good luck with your career. You will need it.

121 gigawatts 06-12-2015 11:15 AM

What was the Mesa interview like?

CAirBear 06-12-2015 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by 121 gigawatts (Post 1903107)
What was the Mesa interview like?

I'm sure he got offered a class, over the phone, without even meeting them!

joek 06-12-2015 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1903103)
You made a HUGE mistake by narrowing your choices down to PSA or Mesa. Either way you were screwed. At this point I would tell you to apply somewhere else before even starting class at Mesa...but I have a funny feeling it will fall on deaf ears. So let me just say this: good luck with your career. You will need it.

Oh really? What's the gold regional airline to work for???

FaceBiter 06-12-2015 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by 121 gigawatts (Post 1903107)
What was the Mesa interview like?

Well, first, you have to acquire this magical device called a telephone. Then, you must pick it up and grunt when asked if you want a class date.

flyinhawyan 06-12-2015 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1903103)
You made a HUGE mistake by narrowing your choices down to PSA or Mesa. Either way you were screwed. At this point I would tell you to apply somewhere else before even starting class at Mesa...but I have a funny feeling it will fall on deaf ears. So let me just say this: good luck with your career. You will need it.


Originally Posted by joek (Post 1903115)
Oh really? What's the gold regional airline to work for???

^^^This! Please inform us?

121 gigawatts 06-12-2015 11:36 AM

Their phone number should have been the give-a-way. 1-800-GRUNT-NOW

FaceBiter 06-12-2015 11:51 AM

Press three for the auto grunt feature.

PDTpilotXX 06-12-2015 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1903055)
He is going to regret it when all AA hiring is done through the wholly owned regionals and he is stuck fighting everyone else for UAL or Delta.

He's right you know... Go to PDT or ENY if you don't wanna wait for PSA and limit your legacy choices to UAL and DAL.

Celeste 06-12-2015 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by joek (Post 1903115)
Oh really? What's the gold regional airline to work for???

I would say anywhere but mesa, psa and gojet. With the only exception being if you live in one of their bases that no other regional has a base at. Commuting sucks, and living in base at a crap regional might be better than commuting to a
more reputable one.

Coneydog 06-12-2015 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1903159)
He's right you know... Go to PDT or ENY if you don't wanna wait for PSA and limit your legacy choices to UAL and DAL.

No actually he's not right. You'd have to be a complete moron to go to a regional for a flow right now...especially one where you're gonna be stuck in the right seat indefinitely. For anyone getting hired right now, it would take a bare minimum of 10 years to flow at any wholly owned...more likely 20 years. In the next 5-10 years, anyone qualified who wants to be at a major will be. Except the people who worked for a WO'd...they can't get hired at Amercian without their 20 year flow. You guys seriously need to put down that Flow Koolaide

PDTpilotXX 06-12-2015 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Coneydog (Post 1903170)
No actually he's not right. You'd have to be a complete moron to go to a regional for a flow right now...especially one where you're gonna be stuck in the right seat indefinitely. For anyone getting hired right now, it would take a bare minimum of 10 years to flow at any wholly owned...more likely 20 years. In the next 5-10 years, anyone qualified who wants to be at a major will be. Except the people who worked for a WO'd...they can't get hired at Amercian without their 20 year flow. You guys seriously need to put down that Flow Koolaide

Hahahahaha. PDT isn't 10 years. Not anywhere close as we grow for someone that gets hired in the next few months. Our upgrade is slightly over 2 years. Considering also the fact AA has said they are bringing as much feed in house as they can and want to hire only from the wholly owneds you are limiting yourself to 2 legacy airlines if you don't come to one of the 3.

Dream a little dream buddy. If you honestly think rolling the dice on Mesa and getting hired at DAL v 5 years at PDT and a Guaranteed job at AA. Go for it man.

121 gigawatts 06-12-2015 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1903155)
Press three for the auto grunt feature.

Might be fun to request a class date via text, just to see if they respond.

El Dorado 06-12-2015 12:13 PM

not everyone at a regional wants to go to a major...

Coneydog 06-12-2015 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1903175)
Hahahahaha. PDT isn't 10 years. Not anywhere close as we grow for someone that gets hired in the next few months. Our upgrade is slightly over 2 years. Considering also the fact AA has said they are bringing as much feed in house as they can and want to hire only from the wholly owneds you are limiting yourself to 2 legacy airlines if you don't come to one of the 3.

Dream a little dream buddy. If you honestly think rolling the dice on Mesa and getting hired at DAL v 5 years at PDT and a Guaranteed job at AA. Go for it man.

Bro, did I advocate going to Mesa?? Although, he would probably make Captain in a few years and make a decent living. 2 year upgrade and 5 year Flow at Piedmont??? Did I just read that right? If that were even remotely true, we'd all be knocking down the damn door to get get into Piedmont. You need to stop dreaming and join reality.

PDTpilotXX 06-12-2015 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Coneydog (Post 1903186)
Bro, did I advocate going to Mesa?? Although, he would probably make Captain in a few years and make a decent living. 2 year upgrade and 5 year Flow at Piedmont??? Did I justify read that right? If that were even remotely true, we'd all be knocking down the damn door to get get into Piedmont. You need to stop dreaming and join reality.

Bro, we grow as planned a newhire will be at AA in 5 years. You read that right. And yeah 2 year upgrade...that's gonna drop as we keep adding planes. People are starting to beat down the door to come here actually. Our base structure currently sucks and when the hub for the jets is fiiiiinally announced even more will be trying to get in. Finally a good problem here after the many bad ones. Lotta people assume they know what's going on here BC we fly a lotta props. Kinda funny. Like your post

Coneydog 06-12-2015 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1903187)
Bro, we grow as planned a newhire will be at AA in 5 years. You read that right. And yeah 2 year upgrade...that's gonna drop as we keep adding planes. People are starting to beat down the door to come here actually. Our base structure currently sucks and when the hub for the jets is fiiiiinally announced even more will be trying to get in. Finally a good problem here after the many bad ones. Lotta people assume they know what's going on here BC we fly a lotta props. Kinda funny. Like your post

Look man, I like Piedmont and wish the people there nothing but the best; however, I think your numbers are slightly dilusional.

Flightcap 06-12-2015 12:29 PM

You guys are acting like everyone wants to get to a major. Not everyone has that goal.

Additionally, you guys are acting like your flow will be around for years. IMHO chasing flow is just as much a gamble in this industry as chasing upgrades, unless the flow is legally protected for future new-hire pilots as well as current pilots. That being said, I would love to be proved wrong by someone who understands regional airline contract language better than myself. Facts only please. Trolls need not respond.

PDTpilotXX 06-12-2015 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Coneydog (Post 1903195)
Look man, I like Piedmont and wish the people there nothing but the best; however, I think your numbers are slightly dilusional.

I guess we'll do the agree to disagree thing, if you're ever in a PDT domicile I'll buy you a beer or two.

DOGIII 06-12-2015 12:40 PM

I interviewed at PSA this week
 
So is this what we have come to? There are around 8 regional applicants in the pipeline these days so pilots have stooped to fighting one another for new-hire scraps? "My regional is better", "no my regional is better", who cares?! They are all Major B-scales with slight variations. Shouldn't recruiting be management's responsibility? They should be improving market conditions as opposed to getting free recruitment services by APC warriors. This is getting pathetic.

FaceBiter 06-12-2015 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by 121 gigawatts (Post 1903179)
Might be fun to request a class date via text, just to see if they respond.

Total truth--I know people offered classes via Facebook.

More truth, fake people have "interviewed" and were subsequently hired at Mesa.

Running into 757's and going offroading when it gets a little windy.. yeah, nothing wrong with this hiring practice. When you combine a quick upgrade and a "very very forgiving training department" the traveling public is so much worse off than before Colgan it's not even funny.

Arvik 06-12-2015 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Celeste (Post 1903164)
I would say anywhere but mesa, psa and gojet. With the only exception being if you live in one of their bases that no other regional has a base at. Commuting sucks, and living in base at a crap regional might be better than commuting to a
more reputable one.

I'll give you GoJet, but you'd seriously go to RAH over PSA or Mesa? I'd take a reasonable commute to either of those over living in base with RAH.

sweetholyjesus 06-12-2015 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1903205)
Total truth--I know people offered classes via Facebook.

More truth, fake people have "interviewed" and were subsequently hired at Mesa.

Running into 757's and going offroading when it gets a little windy.. yeah, nothing wrong with this hiring practice. When you combine a quick upgrade and a "very very forgiving training department" the traveling public is so much worse off than before Colgan it's not even funny.

Which is why I bid for as few deadheads as possible ;)

motormadness 06-12-2015 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by joek (Post 1903115)
Oh really? What's the gold regional airline to work for???

SkyWest...


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