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seafeye 02-05-2016 11:39 AM

Really? When was the last time we got an update?
We were told it COULD take 4-6 months.
It's been 8.
I think we all have been extremely patient. Especially when it means 30% or more of our wages are flying out the window.

Blueskies67 02-05-2016 11:45 AM

Last week during the pilot wide conference call. I'm not happy about it either but I think if anyone is going to get things done it will be our new chairman.

seafeye 02-05-2016 11:56 AM

The confidentially agreement is bogus as well. Anybody knows that they didn't have to sign it. Just because something is placed in front of you doesn't mean you have to sign it. Throw it back at them and refuse it. We are losing $19 million in wages each year. Alpa are you listening? That's $380,000 in dues.

I guess ALPA would just spend it on $100 steaks and rooms at the Hyatt.

loc n slope 02-05-2016 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2063522)
The confidentially agreement is bogus as well. Anybody knows that they didn't have to sign it. Just because something is placed in front of you doesn't mean you have to sign it. Throw it back at them and refuse it. We are losing $19 million in wages each year. Alpa are you listening? That's $380,000 in dues.

I guess ALPA would just spend it on $100 steaks and rooms at the Hyatt.

I thought once you joined PSA, you gave up your complaining rights since you should have known what you were getting into when you picked that company.

ALPA doesn't give a sh*t about you.

chrisreedrules 02-05-2016 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2063509)
Really? When was the last time we got an update?
We were told it COULD take 4-6 months.
It's been 8.
I think we all have been extremely patient. Especially when it means 30% or more of our wages are flying out the window.

The confidentially agreement is bogus as well. Anybody knows that they didn't have to sign it. Just because something is placed in front of you doesn't mean you have to sign it. Throw it back at them and refuse it. We are losing $19 million in wages each year. Alpa are you listening? That's $380,000 in dues.

I guess ALPA would just spend it on $100 steaks and rooms at the Hyatt.

Last week actually...

Your delusional and I doubt you know how any of this works.

CBreezy 02-05-2016 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2063522)
The confidentially agreement is bogus as well. Anybody knows that they didn't have to sign it. Just because something is placed in front of you doesn't mean you have to sign it. Throw it back at them and refuse it. We are losing $19 million in wages each year. Alpa are you listening? That's $380,000 in dues.

I guess ALPA would just spend it on $100 steaks and rooms at the Hyatt.

Throw it back at them, then what?

It took RAH almost a DECADE to get a contract with IBT. Your local union that is heavily subsidized by Delta and United pilots, is who you should be mad at. Not ALPA national.

gold 02-05-2016 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Blueskies67 (Post 2063512)
Last week during the pilot wide conference call. I'm not happy about it either but I think if anyone is going to get things done it will be our new chairman.

Our monthly flow numbers are based on current active captains. As active captains increase beyond a specific threshold, our monthly flow-number increases. This deal mostly began Jan 1st and this was our MEC chair's first conference call. During the call, someone asked how many active captains we had currently and on Jan 1st. He couldn't answer the question. He didn't have the numbers memorized and didn't have the data readily available in front of him to answer. That is not what I liked hearing from psa alpa leadership. We want to know about that stuff, not about our union spending our dues to open up a swanky office at alpa national headquarters.

gold 02-05-2016 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by loc n slope (Post 2063535)
I thought once you joined PSA, you gave up your complaining rights since you should have known what you were getting into when you picked that company.

ALPA doesn't give a sh*t about you.

Our local union could be head over heals better. But our pilot group is 100 percent responsible so I don't have much room to talk.

seafeye 02-05-2016 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2063548)
Last week actually...

Your delusional and I doubt you know how any of this works.

I'm quite aware thanks.
And for the record, I was working so unable to call in. Should that prevent me and others from Alpa info?
We get a fast read and it has nothing about critical pay.
It's very simple. If you want my dues then get me my money back. I've already lost $50,000. If not more.

Why was the message board removed? Cause ALPA is very afraid that we will all get together and stop paying them money for doing nothing.

1stCivDivPilot 02-05-2016 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Blueskies67 (Post 2063503)
Our MEC chairman has been updating us and warned to expect this issue to last at least a couple more months. They have to sign non disclosure agreements so there is not really much they can tell us.

I flew with a very senior captain who I believe (I can't remember what he said his role was) is involved with this arbitration. He was a little shocked when I told him the Union was telling us on the forum that they had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. He said he was not aware of any agreement. He also said if there was, it would have had nothing to do with us not being told about the arbitor directing us to go back to the table. He was very open about who the arbitor is and that they are unwilling to make a decision on this because they don't want to pick a winner or loser. The arbitor kicked the can back on the two parties. This CA was a little shocked the pilot group wasn't fully aware of where the arbitration stood.

I have high hopes for our current MEC Chair. I've heard good things about him. I think he was handed a rotten deal. We shall see.


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