PSA Critical Pay
 

8 months since the critical pay arbitration. No updates from our Union.
30% less pay.
Our MEC shut down our web board.

ALPA is great at collecting dues. But horrible at contact writing and enforcement.

PSA needs to look at replacing the dysfunctional Union.

Go teamsters

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And who exactly do you recommend we replace ALPA with?

And what are you doing to directly help?

Hi union rep.

Hello whiner with no ideas or realistic solutions. You voted for them.

And it doesn't matter if it's ALPA or IBT or PSALPA. It's still the same people representing you. Your problem is with your pilot representatives that you elected not ALPA.

I pay for a service/representation. I expect something in return. I couldn't care less about ALPA national and their agenda. I want my contract that they took 5 years to negotiate to be honored. It's time to represent the dues paying members. I hear the the money collected from the regionals doesn't pay for the amount spent on us.
If that's the case then cut the cord.

What percentage of your pilot group is on probation? Id be willing to bet ALPA subsidizes you way more than you contribute.

That's great. Have you seen the payroll at ALPA?
Our f/o's make 1/2 of their secretaries.

The point is:
We are paying dues. Our contract isn't being honored. Alpa isn't doing the job they should be doing.

We need to dump ALPA.

Welcome to every regional out there. Well, maybe not Skywest, they don't have a union.

Our MEC chairman has been updating us and warned to expect this issue to last at least a couple more months. They have to sign non disclosure agreements so there is not really much they can tell us.

Really? When was the last time we got an update?
We were told it COULD take 4-6 months.
It's been 8.
I think we all have been extremely patient. Especially when it means 30% or more of our wages are flying out the window.

Last week during the pilot wide conference call. I'm not happy about it either but I think if anyone is going to get things done it will be our new chairman.

The confidentially agreement is bogus as well. Anybody knows that they didn't have to sign it. Just because something is placed in front of you doesn't mean you have to sign it. Throw it back at them and refuse it. We are losing $19 million in wages each year. Alpa are you listening? That's $380,000 in dues.

I guess ALPA would just spend it on $100 steaks and rooms at the Hyatt.

I thought once you joined PSA, you gave up your complaining rights since you should have known what you were getting into when you picked that company.

ALPA doesn't give a sh*t about you.

Last week actually...

Your delusional and I doubt you know how any of this works.

Throw it back at them, then what?

It took RAH almost a DECADE to get a contract with IBT. Your local union that is heavily subsidized by Delta and United pilots, is who you should be mad at. Not ALPA national.

Our monthly flow numbers are based on current active captains. As active captains increase beyond a specific threshold, our monthly flow-number increases. This deal mostly began Jan 1st and this was our MEC chair's first conference call. During the call, someone asked how many active captains we had currently and on Jan 1st. He couldn't answer the question. He didn't have the numbers memorized and didn't have the data readily available in front of him to answer. That is not what I liked hearing from psa alpa leadership. We want to know about that stuff, not about our union spending our dues to open up a swanky office at alpa national headquarters.

Our local union could be head over heals better. But our pilot group is 100 percent responsible so I don't have much room to talk.

I'm quite aware thanks.
And for the record, I was working so unable to call in. Should that prevent me and others from Alpa info?
We get a fast read and it has nothing about critical pay.
It's very simple. If you want my dues then get me my money back. I've already lost $50,000. If not more.

Why was the message board removed? Cause ALPA is very afraid that we will all get together and stop paying them money for doing nothing.

I flew with a very senior captain who I believe (I can't remember what he said his role was) is involved with this arbitration. He was a little shocked when I told him the Union was telling us on the forum that they had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. He said he was not aware of any agreement. He also said if there was, it would have had nothing to do with us not being told about the arbitor directing us to go back to the table. He was very open about who the arbitor is and that they are unwilling to make a decision on this because they don't want to pick a winner or loser. The arbitor kicked the can back on the two parties. This CA was a little shocked the pilot group wasn't fully aware of where the arbitration stood.

I have high hopes for our current MEC Chair. I've heard good things about him. I think he was handed a rotten deal. We shall see.

No, we are not responsible. The critical pay has nothing, at all, to do with anything the pilots voted in, concessions or not.

The company willfully decided after 6 months of running that section of the contract as negotiated to simply ignore it. They payed a lawyer an exorbitant sum of money to come up with something, anything, in the way of a reason for violating the contract so blatantly. He did, and here we are.

This arbitrator was a moron for accepting this case in the first place. Arbitrators are mutually agreed upon. His career could literally be in the balance because whomever he decides against will never use him again.......THAT is why it is taking so long.

Maybe the pilot group should have voted no...

Seafeye is right. It has been long enough. Months went by where they negotiated couldn't come to agreement then went to arbitration, then kept pushing that back. Then the arbitrator says they should continue talks? They already did! Remember all the talks before? Company must be laughing. Delay delay delay.

Now no more union forum, very suspicious to me.

How much is owed from critical pay not being paid to it's pilots? Does your union have a rough idea/number?

if I'm being completely honest.. at this point, its not only critical pay, its also QOL that was damaged. over the last year with the reserve grid being what it is, although its gotten better since staffing has become better, qol has greatly suffered. I would estimated critical pay damages to this point are well into the millions.

No to what?
This had nothing to do with 900's for additional 700's. This was a huge part of our 2013 contract. That ALPA sold as the best in the regional airline world. Well fast forward 3 years and with the company not following specific sections we are left with at least 30% less money than the previous contract.
We aren't talking $5000 here. More like $30-$50k per year.
It's huge. And ALPA national is only good at signing contracts. They have crap lawyers who write crap contracts.

Ever wonder how the airlines were able to get f/o's flying jets for $18-$20/hr.
Alpa signed off on it. It protected mainline jobs. The very senior ones.

It's time to get rid of the u ion that takes our dues but continuously degrades the regional airlines

We have been getting updates and each conference call is recorded and save on the pilot website so no excuse to not go and listen. As to why the forum is down, this is due to she awful server that runs half off our website. Nothing to do with the union shutting it down as you say. The server issues are rolling into the grievance site as well which is why the union is in works right now to move servers and get a new grievance layout up and running as fast as possible. From my knowledge and experience right now I can tell you that while it is not pleasant at all, 6 months is the average for arbitrators to make a decisions. AVERAGE. Being such a complex case it will take longer as it has. I'm not happy with it just like anyone else. As for the confidentiality agreement, this was signed and has been known about since the arbitration. If the pilot that was flown with was in fact there for the arbitration, he would have known this. I'm sick of seeing all these pilots here complaining when they make no effort to get involved and inform themselves. You complain about your Union, but do nothing to get involved and make a difference. Each vote for leadership has at best around a 12% turnout. So no one votes, but complains about our representation. Quit whining and get involved and make the change you want to see. I am by no means siding with our union, but I am calling out everyone one of you who complains about everything but is to lazy do do anything about it.

The server being down is suspect at best after the last time it mysteriously shut down. If there were plans to improve or move it, where was the heads up?

The confidentiality agreement does not require that the pilot group get lied to about the status of the arbitration. We were told all along it was "with the arbiter and awaiting their decision" when in fact it was sitting in the union's lap for further negotiation as directed by the arbiter.

Many of us have reached out to committee members to volunteer and received zero contact back. Maybe I'll worry about trying again after the upgrade when I can actually feed my family.

Did you read my post at all or did you just jump at the opportunity to say this?

Our vote had nothing to do with critical pay.

Good news for anyone who thinks ALPA is worthless and shouldn't be required to take our money or we get "fined" anyway

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi.../#186e8cc12c7f

Negative, that case deals with public sector employees. Airlines would not apply.

In the contract airline world, alpa is pure bullsh*t. But that doesn't mean they are responsible for the other party to the agreement not abiding by the agreement.

You are too tiny and insignificant for alpa to care about what happens next, they get your money, helped with your current agreement, but that's it. You are on your own. Learn to apply the proper pressure to get what you want, its just that simple period.

I don't think contract pilots have it in them though. It's not that they are not capable, its just that they really don't care one way or the other. This forum is simply a place to blow off steam.

All of you- stop pointing fingers in the wrong direction, point them at yourselves.

Weak membership equals weak MEC which equals the results you are experiencing. ALPA is just a collection of airlines, someone has to be the weak sister, congrats you are her....

Please name a single unionized pilot group that hasn't faced a contract violation or arbitration. By you're logic we are all the weak sister. Congratulations on being the sleazy easy sister like rest of us.

By that logic nobody should complain about our federal government then. We should volunteer to help the Feds then right?
Wrong

We pay taxes. Same as dues. My voice should have value. My Union should have to work for my money. I sure have to work for it.
8 months is too long. We need/want answers.

You guys complaining about what your mec is or isn't doing. You forget you are Alpa members. Most of the local level stuff is done by pilots. Be proactive. Get peoples signatures to support whatever it is you want. Coming on here a *****ing isn't going to much. Be a part of the solution, call Alpa national and make them earn what you've paid

Alpa doesn't support regional pilots, they only collect dues. Smoke and mirrors. Additionally, having alpa represent major airlines and the contract airlines they are affiliated with is a conflict of interest.

You obviously don't understand how it works

What kind of moronic statement is that. Where's your supporting statements? I flagged your post because its so stupid. I know the standards on this site are low, but sh*t.

And after flagging HIS post, you will probably get a point against you for attempting to bypass the language filter. For shame...