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CLT Guy 06-22-2016 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 2149359)
I would not refer someone I don't know. I would not attach my name to someone else's that I don't know. I'm simply offering to answer questions via PM for people that are not comfortable asking on the boards do to backlash. I believe PSA is a good option compared to other regionals and would like to see more pilots coming in the door. It's no secret that more pilots coming in the door will benefit my position and everyone else at the company. If all the new hires at Expressjet, Mesa or Air Wisconsin chose PSA instead, I believe they would be much better off. Every other regional depends on where you live. Live in base. If you live close to CLT, TYS, CVG or DAY, come to PSA.

Please tell us why PSA is better than other airlines...

We have a subpar contract that will be in place for more than 7 years We have a management group that violates our contract at will.
We have a flow that is far less than the other wholly owned companies.

There are much better options out there right now. I really liked PSA about 18 months ago, but not now.

comrcap 06-22-2016 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 2149336)
Can you tell us more about Elite? I know of a few (or a few hundred) pilots that are looking to get out of PSA as soon as possible.

Starting Aug 1. Year 1 Captains start at $80000 after fed ride. all new hires are paid $40000 from day one of ground school and after 90 days $50000. Home based and $35/day per diem. We are mostly NCAA charter airline with seasonal service to selected markets and year round to others. We have 7 crj200, 4 crj 700 and more 700/900s on way. [email protected] .we want people who can get the job done with safety and customer service skills and going above and beyond is not the exception. Captain's are given an American express card for company expenses when required.

Systemized 06-22-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 2149365)
Please tell us why PSA is better than other airlines...

We have a subpar contract

I get a better schedule every month with line bidding + SAP than I would at any other regional out there with my longevity. The airlines that pay more than PSA and also have 2.5 year upgrades use schedule bidding systems with lower QOL. QOL is just as important as my W2 and I can live with slightly less money at the end of the year if it means better schedule flexibility and overall QOL. The SAP could be a heck of a lot better, but even in it's current state, I still see a huge benefit from it. Others might not, but I make it work every month.

CLT Guy 06-22-2016 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 2149402)
I get a better schedule every month with line bidding + SAP than I would at any other regional out there with my longevity. The airlines that pay more than PSA and also have 2.5 year upgrades use schedule bidding systems with lower QOL. QOL is just as important as my W2 and I can live with slightly less money at the end of the year if it means better schedule flexibility and overall QOL. The SAP could be a heck of a lot better, but even in it's current state, I still see a huge benefit from it. Others might not, but I make it work every month.

But no one hired today that wants a CLT base will be able to take advantage of the SAP for at least 18 months. I make it work for me, too, but in Charlotte this month, we has FOs that were hired in February of 2015 that were still in round 2. That is 16 months on reserve and the SAP not working at all for them. It will continue to get worse.

Just because PSA worked out for you doesn't mean that it will be a good place for others.

PSASUX 06-22-2016 04:13 PM

Oh no! FO's are sitting reserve for over a year? What a horrible thing for them!




Do I need to include my sarcasm tag??

Systemized 06-22-2016 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 2149409)
But no one hired today that wants a CLT base will be able to take advantage of the SAP for at least 18 months.

in Charlotte this month, we has FOs that were hired in February of 2015 that were still in round 2. That is 16 months on reserve

I want bigger new hire classes so the FOs I fly with on reserve start holding lines and the more senior line holders upgrade. I want to see things improve for my FOs and an increase of pilots coming in the door benefits everyone. You are complaining about issues that are a direct result of less hiring. If you want PSA to hire less pilots, you are indirectly asking for worse QOL for your fellow FOs. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we say on these boards to scare people off or invite them over, economic forces will decide the future and that's a great for the labor.

CLT Guy 06-22-2016 04:46 PM

Ah. So you are selling a pyramid scheme. The only good thing that we have is only available to the most senior people. Got it.

I would prefer to see improvements for everyone in the company. Flow at 10% of the company or more per year. Better reserve rules - the the ones that we have actually enforced.

Fix the min day carveouts.
Fix the open time pay.
Fix the critical pay.
Fix the schedules. (4 hour layovers in the middle of the day are the new norm)
Retention bonuses for all employees.

If you pick up open time at the other WO companies, how much are you paid? 200%? 300%? At PSA, it is 125%.

JohnnyDingus 06-22-2016 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by comrcap (Post 2149381)
Starting Aug 1. Year 1 Captains start at $80000 after fed ride. all new hires are paid $40000 from day one of ground school and after 90 days $50000. Home based and $35/day per diem. We are mostly NCAA charter airline with seasonal service to selected markets and year round to others. We have 7 crj200, 4 crj 700 and more 700/900s on way. [email protected] .we want people who can get the job done with safety and customer service skills and going above and beyond is not the exception. Captain's are given an American express card for company expenses when required.



Pwm to MLB yayyyyyy!!!!

T1000 06-23-2016 10:28 AM

It seems that AA isn't quite sure yet, or hasn't revealed their plan for the future of the wholly owned trio. If you can use any of them to advance your career great, if not go somewhere else. Just remember their goal is to use as much up of you as they can.

Realtalk 06-23-2016 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 2149428)
Ah. So you are selling a pyramid scheme. The only good thing that we have is only available to the most senior people. Got it.

I would prefer to see improvements for everyone in the company. Flow at 10% of the company or more per year. Better reserve rules - the the ones that we have actually enforced.

Fix the min day carveouts.
Fix the open time pay.
Fix the critical pay.
Fix the schedules. (4 hour layovers in the middle of the day are the new norm)
Retention bonuses for all employees.

If you pick up open time at the other WO companies, how much are you paid? 200%? 300%? At PSA, it is 125%.

Clt guy guess what? Nobody cares about your struggles.

Wasn't it a year ago you were boasting about how great things are at PSA. The sjs finally wear off? Realized how bad the PSA contract is? Been beat up on RSV?

Ahh its too bad they voted that crap in, looks like you'll have to deal the crap hand you voted in.

Just to clarify NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR 1ST YEAR STRUGGLES.


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