Can You Lose KCM For Yelling at a TSO?
03-30-2017, 03:27 PM
#12
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They're just like cops. Mostly good peeps, but a few on serious power trips with pronounced personality disorders. Give them a gun (or a Federal badge) and it's a recipe for disaster. At JFK they routinely yell at people in line and make up their own rules (one guy yelling that no candy was allowed -- at the top of his lungs.) Our CBP and TSA are the rudest in the world -- it's been tested and reported.
The first thing I do is see if they have a sense of humour. If they don't -- I keep my mouth shut and get through as quickly as possible.
Oh, and in this profession -- if you yell at anyone you've already lost the argument.
The first thing I do is see if they have a sense of humour. If they don't -- I keep my mouth shut and get through as quickly as possible.
Oh, and in this profession -- if you yell at anyone you've already lost the argument.
03-30-2017, 03:30 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
A tip for those prone to losing or forgetting things: Scan your KCM card into your phone and use it as your primary, and keep the card safely tucked away with your medical inside your bag.
03-30-2017, 03:38 PM
#16
Line Holder
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
You can be kicked out of KCM by your airline or by the Feds. It's happened to many pilots.
Please, for the love of everything holy, if you are selected for a pat down, demand a supervisor and a private room. TSA is out of control at certain airports and everyone knows it.
Please, for the love of everything holy, if you are selected for a pat down, demand a supervisor and a private room. TSA is out of control at certain airports and everyone knows it.
03-30-2017, 04:43 PM
#17
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Since the inception of this program, it was known that at airports with KCM, you can still be randomly selected to have to go through the normal screening process. Cooperate and graduate. They are the ones that look ridiculous screening pilots and FA's.
03-30-2017, 06:02 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by AuxPumplow
Serious question. Why a private room and a supervisor? You mean in a normal line or kcm line?
03-30-2017, 07:10 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by AuxPumplow
Serious question. Why a private room and a supervisor? You mean in a normal line or kcm line?
Two reasons -
A flight crew member should not be getting a pat down without some serious evidence that they may have a prohibited device on their body. I would question the supervisor as to exactly what led to the pat down and take names and badge numbers (calmly of course) and report it to the union security committee.
Our pax should not witness any flight crew member getting felt up. It is a debasing and potentially embarrassing situation.
I understand the TSA has a job to do. Some take it a little too far. A trip through TPA security tests my patience every time. Why that particular station is so bad, I don't know. There are others like it.
03-30-2017, 07:14 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Either line. Anyone selected for a pat down is entitled to privacy on request.
I want the public to see how ridiculous they look. Maybe I'll wind up in a cell-phone video on TV or YouTube, standing there spread eagle with blue nitrile gloves rubbing all over me.
Before KCM, I always opted out of the body scanners and made a public display of the body massage. I also made a point of keeping a couple of singles in my pocket to offer as a tip afterwards.
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