Can You Lose KCM For Yelling at a TSO?
04-03-2017, 09:22 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by LNL76
Can you brats *****ing about KCM just **** already? Not all airlines are in the program so forgive those of us who have to go through the employee line or TSA precheck for not giving a crap at your indignation of a random pat-down.
04-04-2017, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I was in uniform, DFW B terminal KCM. They did an explosives hand swab on me, and I tested positive. I just started laughing, got the full pat down, they opened up all my stuff, in front of people, I just laughed the whole time.
04-04-2017, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Well, someone with a KCM badge and airline ID badge COULD be assumed to be an airline employee. And as such, they are probably worthy of at LEAST pre-check status. IMHO, anyway. My spouse is treated better in the pre-check line (which I can't even get into unless I am in uniform) than I am with KCM in a regular line.
Seriously considering getting NEXUS for non-revving.
Seriously considering getting NEXUS for non-revving.
What's worse is when they have a KCM line but you tell them you don't have it.
"We have a super duper terrorist masquerading as a pilot. I need a pat down and cavity search!!"
04-04-2017, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Well, someone with a KCM badge and airline ID badge COULD be assumed to be an airline employee.
A KCM "badge" proves nothing. It is not identification, it is not a controlled item, it constitutes absolutely nothing that could be considered an identity or employment credential.
It is nothing more than a barcode. The barcode points to a record in a secure online file system which has a picture and company identification information. When the TSA agent finds that record (the barcode makes it easier, but it's not the only way), he or she compares that information with the Company ID and the government issued ID that the pilot presents to confirm the information matches.
If you are presenting the KCM card for any other reason, you don't understand what it is. The TSA agent is correct to not give any special treatment to someone based on the presence of a plastic card with a barcode.
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04-04-2017, 01:51 PM
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Pretty sure there aren't too many risky personnel running around US airports with a KCM card and a company ID badge.
Whether it's one ID and an airline badge, or an ID, KCM, and an airline badge, I am still the same ole me.
But by your analysis, as long as I am wearing a pilot uniform, I deserve better treatment. Uh huh. Makes sense.
Whether it's one ID and an airline badge, or an ID, KCM, and an airline badge, I am still the same ole me.
But by your analysis, as long as I am wearing a pilot uniform, I deserve better treatment. Uh huh. Makes sense.
Originally Posted by TonyC
Absolutely not.
A KCM "badge" proves nothing. It is not identification, it is not a controlled item, it constitutes absolutely nothing that could be considered an identity or employment credential.
It is nothing more than a barcode. The barcode points to a record in a secure online file system which has a picture and company identification information. When the TSA agent finds that record (the barcode makes it easier, but it's not the only way), he or she compares that information with the Company ID and the government issued ID that the pilot presents to confirm the information matches.
If you are presenting the KCM card for any other reason, you don't understand what it is. The TSA agent is correct to not give any special treatment to someone based on the presence of a plastic card with a barcode.
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A KCM "badge" proves nothing. It is not identification, it is not a controlled item, it constitutes absolutely nothing that could be considered an identity or employment credential.
It is nothing more than a barcode. The barcode points to a record in a secure online file system which has a picture and company identification information. When the TSA agent finds that record (the barcode makes it easier, but it's not the only way), he or she compares that information with the Company ID and the government issued ID that the pilot presents to confirm the information matches.
If you are presenting the KCM card for any other reason, you don't understand what it is. The TSA agent is correct to not give any special treatment to someone based on the presence of a plastic card with a barcode.
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04-04-2017, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Pretty sure there aren't too many risky personnel running around US airports with a KCM card and a company ID badge.
Whether it's one ID and an airline badge, or an ID, KCM, and an airline badge, I am still the same ole me.
But by your analysis, as long as I am wearing a pilot uniform, I deserve better treatment. Uh huh. Makes sense.
You also seem to have a problem understanding my post, because I said nothing about special treatment, and never mentioned a pilot uniform.
You've claimed several times that a KCM barcode should get you special treatment outside of a KCM portal.
Originally Posted by HighFlight
What I find asinine is that if I present my KCM card [in a Pre-Check line] and am in uniform, I breeze right thru with no screening. But if I present that same card in civvies, I must go thru regular screening. I'm pretty sure it's the card that verifies me as safe, not some pretty white shirt with some stripes on the shoulders.
Originally Posted by HighFlight
I was referring to me getting treated worse in a normal line with a KCM badge. Can't even go thru pre check with KCM in civvies.
Originally Posted by HighFlight
Well, someone with a KCM badge and airline ID badge COULD be assumed to be an airline employee. And as such, they are probably worthy of at LEAST pre-check status. IMHO, anyway.
The KCM card by itself, hanging from a lanyard or a clip with your Company ID, does not verify anything, and it does not entitle you to special treatment in any other line. If you have experienced special treatment and you believe the card was the reason, the TSA simply messed up. WOW. Huge surprise.
Thank them and move along. Don't give them a hard time when they don't give you special treatment to which you are not entitled..
04-04-2017, 03:30 PM
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I mentioned a pilot uniform, and you were replying to me. And I never said a KCM card should get me special treatment outside of a KCM line. What I DID say is that it seems that wearing a pilot uniform means more in the way of verifying that I am a safe traveler than the KCM card combined with my airline ID does while non-revving. Not sure why you can't seem to understand that. Others seem to be able to.
What makes a TSA pre-check holder "safer", able to go the the pre-check line, when my company ID and KCM card don't? Have I not been vetted? Does not my company ID vouch that I am an airline employee that has been screened?
Why does scanning my KCM card, which then brings up my face on a screen, equate to me being safe enough to pass thru without being screened at all, yet with a company ID, and a government ID, both with pictures, I am not even able to go thru pre-check? Why must I go thru regular screening? That's my beef. Guess you don't agree, and that's just fine. But I think it is wacko that if I pay for the privelege of pre-check (which is pretty dumb to do, vs. NEXUS), I get less scrutiny than I do as an airline employee.
What makes a TSA pre-check holder "safer", able to go the the pre-check line, when my company ID and KCM card don't? Have I not been vetted? Does not my company ID vouch that I am an airline employee that has been screened?
Why does scanning my KCM card, which then brings up my face on a screen, equate to me being safe enough to pass thru without being screened at all, yet with a company ID, and a government ID, both with pictures, I am not even able to go thru pre-check? Why must I go thru regular screening? That's my beef. Guess you don't agree, and that's just fine. But I think it is wacko that if I pay for the privelege of pre-check (which is pretty dumb to do, vs. NEXUS), I get less scrutiny than I do as an airline employee.
Originally Posted by TonyC
Pretty sure you have no idea who has a KCM card. Do you know what happens when you lose one? You get another one and register the new one. Unlike airline IDs, there is no accountability for lost or stolen KCM cards.
You also seem to have a problem understanding my post, because I said nothing about special treatment, and never mentioned a pilot uniform.
You've claimed several times that a KCM barcode should get you special treatment outside of a KCM portal.
You're dead wrong. Your "humble" opinion is wrong.
The KCM card by itself, hanging from a lanyard or a clip with your Company ID, does not verify anything, and it does not entitle you to special treatment in any other line. If you have experienced special treatment and you believe the card was the reason, the TSA simply messed up. WOW. Huge surprise. Thank them and move along. Don't give them a hard time when they don't give you special treatment to which you are not entitled.
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You also seem to have a problem understanding my post, because I said nothing about special treatment, and never mentioned a pilot uniform.
You've claimed several times that a KCM barcode should get you special treatment outside of a KCM portal.
You're dead wrong. Your "humble" opinion is wrong.
The KCM card by itself, hanging from a lanyard or a clip with your Company ID, does not verify anything, and it does not entitle you to special treatment in any other line. If you have experienced special treatment and you believe the card was the reason, the TSA simply messed up. WOW. Huge surprise.
Thank them and move along. Don't give them a hard time when they don't give you special treatment to which you are not entitled..
04-04-2017, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
I mentioned a pilot uniform, and you were replying to me. And I never said a KCM card should get me special treatment outside of a KCM line. What I DID say is that it seems that wearing a pilot uniform means more in the way of verifying that I am a safe traveler than the KCM card combined with my airline ID does while non-revving. Not sure why you can't seem to understand that. Others seem to be able to.
What makes a TSA pre-check holder "safer", able to go the the pre-check line, when my company ID and KCM card don't? Have I not been vetted? Does not my company ID vouch that I am an airline employee that has been screened?
Why does scanning my KCM card, which then brings up my face on a screen, equate to me being safe enough to pass thru without being screened at all, yet with a company ID, and a government ID, both with pictures, I am not even able to go thru pre-check? Why must I go thru regular screening? That's my beef. Guess you don't agree, and that's just fine. But I think it is wacko that if I pay for the privelege of pre-check (which is pretty dumb to do, vs. NEXUS), I get less scrutiny than I do as an airline employee.
What makes a TSA pre-check holder "safer", able to go the the pre-check line, when my company ID and KCM card don't? Have I not been vetted? Does not my company ID vouch that I am an airline employee that has been screened?
Why does scanning my KCM card, which then brings up my face on a screen, equate to me being safe enough to pass thru without being screened at all, yet with a company ID, and a government ID, both with pictures, I am not even able to go thru pre-check? Why must I go thru regular screening? That's my beef. Guess you don't agree, and that's just fine. But I think it is wacko that if I pay for the privelege of pre-check (which is pretty dumb to do, vs. NEXUS), I get less scrutiny than I do as an airline employee.
Because of this. The KCM card links to the CASS database. Without it, you are just a guy with an ID that COULD be counterfeit.
04-04-2017, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The KCM card links to the CASS database. Without it, you are just a guy with an ID that COULD be counterfeit.
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