Time requirements??
 

I am currently attending MTSU as an aerospace major. My commercial professor just got back from a convention and was telling us about a meeting they had with the airline reps. He said that they had about 5 airlines represented, from Delta down to ASA. He said they had them lined up at a table like a panel discussion when the question was raised about bridge programs and lowered time minimums. He says that they started with delta requiring something like 500/100 and that as they went down the line the numbers were getting lower. By the time they got to ASA they were saying that with a bridge program they would be looking for guys with 200/10. This sounds like it was just a competition as they went down the line where each rep was just wanting to beat the last airlines numbers. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about this.

I'll think I'll start sending the wife and kids on amtrak

Some of the regionals may hiring at the wet commercial level, but I can guarantee you that Delta is not :rolleyes: Off the street competetive for DAL is probably something like 10,000 hours, 6,000+ Jet PIC.

Most of us aren't really happy about it...there's a lot to be learned by spending 1000-1500 hours in general aviation/135. Personally I think any 121 pilot should hold an ATP.

I agree, but you know you are going to take abuse from the newbies on this board who think they deserve a jet at 200 hr.

I hate to say it, but this is the beginning of the end. I can see some kid sitting there with 600 hours in the cockpit sharing his "there I was" stories.... Wait, they do that now. Never mind..

I agree Rick, an ATP is priceless.. When I started this back in the 80s, the mins to apply to a commuter was 1,500 with 500 ME.

It was still like that in the late 90's as well. I was trying to get an interview back then with the regionals and most places still had 200-500 multi min not to mention high total time . I had to go grind it out hauling checks at night and never regretted that experence for a min.

And not give the guys under 21 a chance?:(

Isn't hauling checks considered on-demand?
Meaning....at least 500hrs?

IFR 135 mins there! 1200 total, 500 X/C, 100 night, and 75 Inst. You can do VFR 135 at 500 hours but that is about as useless as a hot air balloon type rating to most companies in the business.

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Why does the FAA impose hiring minimums on Part 135 IFR but not on Part 121?? Having ATP minimums for any pilot of a 121 carrier would do wonders for regional pay. When companies like Skywest, ExpressJet, Comair, Eagle Republic, etc... need to hire thousandsS of pilots, they could not lower minimums any lower than ATP. They would need to think of more creative ways of attracting pilots (raise pay, raise QOL, more out and back lines, whatever....)

I would be happy if the FAA imposed ATP minimums for any pilot of a 121 carrier.

Since when are there minimums to sit right seat 135 :confused:

lighter-than-air hours count toward ATP, so it is possible to have 500 hours fixed wing with a multi-engine ATP....

well...as far as I know there aren't, except for the ratings and cert.
But, if the a/c is required to have a two man crew...does the SIC have to be rated in the a/c? It would make sense though

600 hours is a lot different than 200. I'm not saying I'm "deserving of a jet" or anything, but I just cleared 600 hours last month and I've been instructing in one way or another for a year and a half now, and I know I'm a heck of a lot more capable than a 200 hour pilot. Granted some of that comes from flying last semester in a Cessna 404, but we still went to places such as Atlanta and O'Hare with it. I know I'm going to get my head bitten off for this, but seriously folks. What is the point of complaining about young or inexperienced pilots when it's the future whether we like it or not? Yeah times used to be different. So what? I'm guessing some of you complaining about "when I was your age" issues flew civillian. Well guess what? There was a time too when military guys worried about all those crazy civillian pilots coming up the ranks.

Sooner or later, you're going to have a young and inexperienced FO in the cockpit sitting next to you. What are you going to do? Harass him for being stupid? Or make a difference? If he's having problems, try to help him out instead of belittling him. It's like complaining about someone in a political office when you don't vote. Moral of this story is when you get down to it, stop complaining, accept the fact that there really is a shortage of pilots in training while the industry needs more. Accept the fact that the jet jocks get younger and younger and their logbooks are getting thinner and thinner every day. And yes I too am not a big fan of the ATP schools, and the 90 day wonder flight schools, but hey, don't crap on the guys who are training in a legit fashion, and just happen to be what the airlines are looking for. Seriously. What do you guys propose they do? Not apply until they've instructed for 2000 hours and no longer enjoy the career field we are all sworn to?

Once again, I'm not trying to tick people off, I'm just trying to shed some logic on this.

By the way, I too am a student at MTSU, as well as an instrctor for the flight school.

HAHAHA.....

I honestly don't think that pilots should be judged by the amount of hours you got...
Unless ofcourse ur >5K
Some ppl just have it in them....like a 25hr student pilot thats ready for checkride....compared to some guys that need 75hrs...
thats 3 times as much.....
So someone with 400hrs...could be as good, if not, have better skill than someone with 1200hrs?
Hmm....Think it has more to do with WHAT and WHO you know.....not just stick and rudder

I read only three sentences of gliders post and have already decided he is a DORK !

read the last line of his post yes he certainly a DORK.

A part 135 cargo pilot is flying by himself in hard IMC on many occasions. He needs to be experienced. an airline FO has a 2000 hour ATP sitting next to him that can watch and monitor him Thats whay I think

Quote by jlhenderson70 last year: "Taking a shot at me in a forum shows what kinda dildo you are."

If the shoe fits, wear it.

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Sissy flying: One approach and landing.

Pray tell me what a real pilot is ?

Off topic:mad:

You're right. Sorry.

The picture with caption was pretty funny though..
hehe....:D

ftroop you did not deserve my rude comments, I regret having posted them.
The disscusion of time is ridiculous. most mins are insurance related anyhow, with the exception of Airlines. Here's the thing If I own an Airline and want to cut payroll cost down the road hire lowtimers they won't be upgradable for years wich saves me tons of money. Can they fly ? maybe maybe not they do however have to get thru my training dept and IOE. If I have a training dept that can actually train they will be ok to ride in the right seat. A good IOE capt. can teach em about the line its self. What is gonna be a problem is my captains who have to basicly operate as a single pilot while enduring an FO who has very very little practicle experience. Does not mean the FO will always be a liability however, so I wont be losing any sleep over the fact I have hired such a pilot.
500 hour pilots don't have experience but they can learn just like we all have.

Thank you sir. Agree completely. There are many different routes to becoming a professional pilot. All are valid. The key is quality of training by CFIs (where most of us started), the hard work of sim instructors during checkout, and finally continuous mentoring by experienced Captains. The attitude that each imparts is crucial. I often wish that all who fly (or have flown )professionally would address each other as if they worked together, there would be less controversy. But then again we are human, competitive, and in the case of the younger generation, have a case of raging hormones. :cool:

I still feel bad for being a jerk.
good day sir.

I too, wonder what a real pilot is by his definition. Apparently someone who pushes buttons more than they touch the stick and rudder is a "real pilot." Wow. I love how some people sound like they never left middle school.

I don't know for sure what a real pilot is. I was once a stick and rudder pilot then a button pusher I now fly the plane simply by osmosis.

Oh yeeeaaa!!! That's why these forums are loaded with 'postal' workers!! Kool Aid anyone!!!

P.S. That's the meanest thing I'm gonna' say. :o

That's one of the problem with these modern machines; they take the fun out of flying. We all long for those stick and rudder days when we "strapped the airplane on" instead of "locking ourselves in."

How many "glass cockpit" experts would panic at the sight of a J-3 Cub instrument (?????) panel ? :eek:

What the heck is a 404 ? no pics of it on Airliners.net

Ever been asked, "How old would you think you are if you didn't know how old you are ?"

or

It isn't what we don't know that will hurt us. It's what we don't know that we don't know that will hurt us.

Young aspiring pilots need mentoring. Take care of that FO who might be your Captain some day.:eek:

Why do folks say the 121 regional FO has no decision making capability ? does'nt really matter, He ain't gonna be makin' any critical decisions anyway.

that was in regards to the 500hr FO