Public demand for more experienced pilots
03-05-2007 | 12:46 PM
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As a flight instructor I have noticed that some people get it, and some people don't when it comes to flying an airplane. Im sure any instructor would agree with that. I have students that have soloed at 11hrs and I have other students that will probably never solo. Some people just have the natural ability. When you get hired by an airline, you have to go through ground school just like everybody else, and if you can make it through that, I would think that you are qualified to be there regardless of flight time. Just because you have thousands of hours of flight time, that automatically makes you so much better than a guy with only hundreds of hours?
03-05-2007 | 12:51 PM
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A F/A can tell me more B.S!! Did you see with your own eyes that they had 10's of thousands of hours?
Ofcourse not...how would a F/A know that? hmm...the crew told her?
The public doesn't really care about the experience....the majority of the public thinks that you have to a dinosaur to be a captain....
everytime a 20y kid tells someone that they're an airline pilot...
"oh, don't you have to go to schoolf for 10years?" "but you're so young"
Thats the same B.S you get everytime....the public, maybe some exceptions, but majority doesn't know a thing about aviation....so asking themselve "how qualified is my crew" is not floating around in their mind....
and they have a lot of more important things to think about than to debate whether a flight crew is qualified or not....
They passed the writtens, passed sim rides, even INSURANCE companies accept it...who the hell are you?
Ofcourse not...how would a F/A know that? hmm...the crew told her?
The public doesn't really care about the experience....the majority of the public thinks that you have to a dinosaur to be a captain....
everytime a 20y kid tells someone that they're an airline pilot...
"oh, don't you have to go to schoolf for 10years?" "but you're so young"
Thats the same B.S you get everytime....the public, maybe some exceptions, but majority doesn't know a thing about aviation....so asking themselve "how qualified is my crew" is not floating around in their mind....
and they have a lot of more important things to think about than to debate whether a flight crew is qualified or not....
They passed the writtens, passed sim rides, even INSURANCE companies accept it...who the hell are you?
Well you're missing the point. The intent is to make people aware of the practices of certain airlines (Mesa) who are happy to have the least experienced pilots because it keeps their payrolls low through hiring low timers who leave as soon as they are able to be hired somewhere else.
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03-05-2007 | 12:54 PM
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Well you're missing the point. The intent is to make people aware of the practices of certain airlines (Mesa) who are happy to have the least experienced pilots because it keeps their payrolls low through hiring low timers who leave as soon as they are able to be hired somewhere else.
Putting a FO with 500hrs in the right seat won't change anything....
Give me a few good reasons why it's bad to let a low time FO work the radios and things like that... (and NO what if scenarios)
03-05-2007 | 12:57 PM
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You're right. But I feel you were far more qualified then the Mesa "pay to play" 190 hour person.
I was only using the West Jet story as an example. I'm not advocating 10's of thousands of hours as a minimum for a regional (which West Jet is not).
I will let the real pilots argue about how many hours should be the minimum.
But as a private pilot with about 190 hours, I am certainly not qualified to be your First Officer.
I was only using the West Jet story as an example. I'm not advocating 10's of thousands of hours as a minimum for a regional (which West Jet is not).
I will let the real pilots argue about how many hours should be the minimum.
But as a private pilot with about 190 hours, I am certainly not qualified to be your First Officer.
03-05-2007 | 12:57 PM
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I remember flying West Jet and the F/A telling the passengers how many 10's of thousands of hours the flight crew had. It made me feel safer that I could divide that into a number of years spent in the cockpit.
In my effort to singlehandedly better the work conditions and increase pay for pilots, I've sent my first op-ed piece telling the flying public to inquire about the experience level of their flight crew before they buy the cheapest ticket. I suggest everyone here do the same.
In my effort to singlehandedly better the work conditions and increase pay for pilots, I've sent my first op-ed piece telling the flying public to inquire about the experience level of their flight crew before they buy the cheapest ticket. I suggest everyone here do the same.
Those old guys think and move at the speed of molasses in January. Not to mention miss radio calls and fumble around when looking at maps and charts through their trifocals. That said, I have also heard some equally scary stories from guys who've had to fly with 500 hour wonders.What does that even mean? Are you implying that most companies hire captains straight out of a 172 and into the left seat of an RJ?
03-05-2007 | 01:02 PM
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http://www.flightcareers.com/
which as I understand it means you pay them to be an FO for your first x number of hours. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
03-05-2007 | 01:02 PM
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Well you're missing the point. The intent is to make people aware of the practices of certain airlines (Mesa) who are happy to have the least experienced pilots because it keeps their payrolls low through hiring low timers who leave as soon as they are able to be hired somewhere else.
Me thinks this flame baiter is a moron
03-05-2007 | 01:07 PM
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I'm talking about their pilot development program:
http://www.flightcareers.com/
which as I understand it means you pay them to be an FO for your first x number of hours. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
http://www.flightcareers.com/
which as I understand it means you pay them to be an FO for your first x number of hours. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
03-05-2007 | 01:08 PM
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No, but Mesa has been known to hire guys who meet ATP mins who only have piston multi engine experience as street captains. I admit that's hearsay, but true or not, it ain't right.
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