Public demand for more experienced pilots
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This is EXACTLY why a 190hr pilot (which you've admitted to already) should never even come NEAR a commercial aircraft, RJ or turboprop. Its the fact that you still haven't had the CR** scared out of you and stick to your naive idea that you THINK is correct, yet you ignore experienced pilots telling you otherwise. Thanks for BLATENTLY making all our points bud.
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There is really nothing we as pilots can do about the low time situation. I personally protect myself by not riding on the few regional companies that I know might be dangerous. Many of the more elite regionals are not hiring these extreme low timers.
#43
Well, I have to disagree, bud.
Your original point was that we need some way to prevent people with low times from getting commercial airline jobs until they have more time.
It was pointed out that time has little to do with ability. I've seen this first hand. In my own first 121 training class I saw an experienced naval P-3 pilot paired with a really weak dude with 3,000 hrs fly the sim into the ground on a simple single engine approach! Then rode in the back of the next sim session with two 500 hour "wonder kids", as so many like to call them, and watched them fly a flawless 4 hours of failures and trials without missing a beat.
You either get it, or you don't. And the FAA has long considered 1,500 hours enough time to be certified as an ATP, if you can pass the checkride.
Basically, the checkride is the standard that proves whether or not you're ready, not your flight hours. I've also trained a girl with over 4,000 hours for her ATP checkride that couldn't spell fly! Hours mean nothing. Quality of training and ability are king. Just ask the military, who every day turn out a quality pilot with around 300 hours in the plane. Its all about how you're trained combined with your natural ability.
Your original point was that we need some way to prevent people with low times from getting commercial airline jobs until they have more time.
It was pointed out that time has little to do with ability. I've seen this first hand. In my own first 121 training class I saw an experienced naval P-3 pilot paired with a really weak dude with 3,000 hrs fly the sim into the ground on a simple single engine approach! Then rode in the back of the next sim session with two 500 hour "wonder kids", as so many like to call them, and watched them fly a flawless 4 hours of failures and trials without missing a beat.
You either get it, or you don't. And the FAA has long considered 1,500 hours enough time to be certified as an ATP, if you can pass the checkride.
Basically, the checkride is the standard that proves whether or not you're ready, not your flight hours. I've also trained a girl with over 4,000 hours for her ATP checkride that couldn't spell fly! Hours mean nothing. Quality of training and ability are king. Just ask the military, who every day turn out a quality pilot with around 300 hours in the plane. Its all about how you're trained combined with your natural ability.
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In my effort to singlehandedly better the work conditions and increase pay for pilots, I've sent my first op-ed piece telling the flying public to inquire about the experience level of their flight crew before they buy the cheapest ticket. I suggest everyone here do the same.
As long as people are blissfully unaware that they are flying with an FO who has paid to be there and only has 190 hrs, and a captain who only ever flew a real jet on their IOE, companies will continue to hire low time pilots who will work for nothing.
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Geez finally someone with some sense!
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Gee, perhaps THIS post might have something to do with it? You talk about sending letters to editors to expose just how many flight hours pilots have in order to inform the public.....so is it REALLY that much of a stretch to deduce that you don't believe low time guys should be at the controls of an RJ????? Come on dude, I'm getting weary of always flaming you.
you actually mean they should?
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ok?
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Ok, the last forum posters are confusing the S*IT out of everyone...I know because I didn't even bother to read.
Point of the thread "public demand for more experienced pilots?"
Not going to happen....the airlines don't belong the state/country so it's DEF. not going to happen.
Point made.
Discussion terminated.
Just close the thread. (It's going nowhere fast, thats for sure)
Point of the thread "public demand for more experienced pilots?"
Not going to happen....the airlines don't belong the state/country so it's DEF. not going to happen.
Point made.
Discussion terminated.
Just close the thread. (It's going nowhere fast, thats for sure)
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Ok I'm really confused. Is 190 hours too little for someone to be hired on at a regional?
I think it is too little.
Unless someone can fly an airplane without coming NEAR it, I believe you are in agreement.
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