A volvo, maybe her sugar daddy could have bought her a clue. :)

How's the wx down there? We are getting up to 55 tomorrow. Gonna have to get the airconditioner up and running to combat the heatwave.

C-yaaaa

Hit the nail on the head...for anyone. All a degree does is prove you can finish a long term project.

Ok, a man that can't just admit he was wrong. I get it now. Fly safe too.

Docs get a stack of education AND training - but that’s not why the eventual bucks (after enduring their own low-wage long-hours training dues). It’s supply and demand. Lots of folks think they want to fly.

On the other hand, there is no way to fast-forward-feed the “schooling” of real experience, - except through years in the cockpit. The stuff upon which sound decisions are founded. Waaaayyyy more than “training” here. Stuff that simply cannot be bought.

I forget which third world country of the late 80’s had cranked out so many docs, they were taking jobs as cabbies. Paid better.

Reality sux
 

The reality kids is that the big boys and big boy ALPA don't give a $h!t about the regional pilots. Never have and never will. They had a chance back in the 90's to fix this and they chose themselves and thier big pay scales over good SCOPE and flow through agreements.

I know this first hand. Flew at Comair and then DAL (furloughed after 9/11) I flew with a Captain who spit on a Comair guy. I flew with another that did not even know they (Comair) were ALPA.

My brothers at the regionals, get what you can, as much as you can, and take care of yourselves. Tell mgmt to stuff thier crappy pay scales. Unite with each other (other regional pilots) and inform big daddy ALPA that you mean business. You would be better off getting Teamsters than those cry baby ALPA weenies. Get a real union and start kicking some A$$.

I am not bitter...just informed.

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I live in Key West where there are a variety of "orientations" and have decided to come out of the closet and admit mine has changed:

"I am FOR pilot Unions ?" (big U not small u like two persons).

For someone with Military/Aviation Management / Business Management Teaching background, this is a traumatic change.

Most anti-union folks think of the $45.00 an hour (plus benefits) 10th grade education union worker who puts hub caps on cars in a production line. Those wages and benefits seem out of line given the education and responsibility levels. Unions got them there and are therefore "bad" right ? Wrong. If you go back to when John L Lewis organized the coal miner union, the results were safer worker conditions and a decent wage.

I am equally worried about the safe working conditions a I am pay. Too many regional pilots are working second and third jobs to suplement their meger regional airlines pay. Sometimes they are forced to live in the "boondocks" where the cost of living is low and spend too many hours comuting to their job. "They are burning the candle at both ends" and violating the "intent" of crew rest.

ALPA needs to get of their dead a** and start fighting for better working conditions / pay for the regional pilots :mad: :mad: or somebody will organize a union that will.

Puppy, I can tell you scope is there as a good thing, so that every job out there isn't at a regional pay scale.. If we don't have them, larger carriers will continue to turnover mainline routes to regionals flying larger equipement (over 50 seats). Eventually the entire domestic market is being flown by pilots making $19-$55/hour. If you don't want to recognize that, enjoy the current conditions, and want to see more mainline jobs disappear, then keep up your crusade (idiot).. It's stupid for me to waste my time exhanging ideas with you on this subject. If you want to see what happens when scope clauses are circumvented.. just look at GoJets.. Pilots flying big equipement at turboprop rates. Take a look at this to help you understand that it's the scope clauses that help protect us from management.. http://www.gojet411.blogspot.com/ GO get a job at GoJets since you think scope is bad.

Raise this idea in the Majors forums.. I think some of the pilots there might have some differing opinions for you. They're the guys who were flying the Metros when they were converted over to RJs (where were you during that period). Maybe you can convince them they're wrong as well and we'll all see how right your wisdom is :rolleyes:

One thing you don't seem bring into the picture is the sloppy business templates the legacy carriers were operating under prior to 9/11, not union greed.. Those companies were turning huge profits prior to 9/11, why shouldn't their employees be adequately compensated? Look at management for poor company planning and strategy.. not the pilots. Were you even flying in this industry prior to 9/11?

Regional equipement is pushing into the capacity of mainline routes that were served by 737 size aircraft. How is it the fault of mainline pilots who recognized that this would happen, and put scope clauses in their contracts to protect their/our future jobs, as well as protect regional pilots from being taken advantage of? Companies like GoJets serve as a perfect example. Each RJ that takes a mainline route is one more seat for a 300 hr pilot to move into and one less seat for a regional captain to move up to.

Another thought for you puppy.. Companies (majors) that went bankrupt, were still turning profits (it was reported in their maint or cargo divisions rather than passenger ops). Some simply adjusted the amount of liquid capital available in their accounts to qualify for it (once the level of liquid cash assets that a company is required by law to have available goes below a certain level, they can push the bankrupt button) . Then when they were classified as "bankrupt", they could break their pilot contracts and send more lines to the regionals and dump their retirements on the gov't. Mysteriously, they have enough money for offers to buy other airlines and grant huge bonuses to their management... I guess this is the mainline pilots fault as well??