TFR Violator
03-14-2007 | 03:47 AM
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Well regardless of whom the TFR is for, in the eyes of the FAA and other governmental agencies a TFR is a TFR whether it be over the president’s ranch or over a sporting event. As I stated before I made a big mistake. I can tell you it was a pristine example of the snowball effect, and if the CFI’s who read this need an example of that to explain to their students this is a good one I’m sure. So to answer your question how, I should have done what I was taught. Strike #1 I should have got at least an abbreviated briefing that day to supplement the DUAT briefing I got the day before. It probably would have told me the 30nm TFR was in effect around the ranch rather than the permanent restricted space of 15nm or so. At that time they weren’t giving much prior notice of Presidential TFRs, now I receive e-mail alerts from AOPA at least a day or two prior to the expansion. Strike #2 I should have filed a VFR flight plan. There is bit of unoccupied land that was along my flight path that would take a while to walk thru to find someone not to mention the wait for help if something occurred. Also, the controllers and F-16’s may have recognized me as friendly and errant rather than a threat. I may have received a little more leniency, or not. And Strike #3 I was so preoccupied with the radio trying to get flight following that I lost situational awareness, and we all know what could and has happened when that has occurred. In my case, an F-16 dropping down and pulling up alongside me and circling. Not a good feeling at all. As to you asking why; I didn’t take off that morning with the intention of busting a TFR so I can’t answer that, it was a huge mistake, and I’m not going to make up an excuse when I know I was blatantly wrong.
03-14-2007 | 04:37 AM
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The pre-flight is the golden rule. I learned that lesson , but not the hard way like you. It was a great day, and i thought some flying was in order, but neglegted to get the briefing. I decided against going and later found out that if i had, i would have interupted a Blue Angels show!!
03-14-2007 | 04:42 AM
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I think I have explained my ordeal pretty thoroughly.
Just one more question. Given my record, and besides the usual ratings required to get hired on a regional, if you were doing the hiring what kind of mins and additional training would you like to see on my resume before considering giving me a call?
I would like to get an idea of what to shoot for. There is nothing on the internet that answers these kinds of questions, besides the one that said a violation will kill your prospects of ever becoming an airline pilot.
Just one more question. Given my record, and besides the usual ratings required to get hired on a regional, if you were doing the hiring what kind of mins and additional training would you like to see on my resume before considering giving me a call?
I would like to get an idea of what to shoot for. There is nothing on the internet that answers these kinds of questions, besides the one that said a violation will kill your prospects of ever becoming an airline pilot.
03-14-2007 | 05:10 AM
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I wasn't getting on you, people make mistakes. I once came within 30 miles of China's airspace due to a training exercise and we lost sight of the situation, but I knew China was there, just like you should know the president's house is there, or the Space Shuttle is there, or the Super Bowl is there, or Disney World is there, or wherever. My only advice which I am not sure if it was said is Always, Always, Always file a flight plan.
03-14-2007 | 05:21 AM
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No offense taken at all, those were legit questions and maby a low timer as myself will stumble upon this and learn by my mistake, and since then I have filed anytime I go anywhere out of the immediate area. Lessons have definately been learned.
I should probably get back on the regional subject. Can anybody answer my previous question?
I should probably get back on the regional subject. Can anybody answer my previous question?
03-14-2007 | 07:03 AM
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I dont think you would need anything other than their minimum requirements. Obviously dont list the busted TFR in your resume, but when asked it on an interview, just do as your doing here....be honest, and don't place blame.
Showing that your humble, admitted a mistake was made (by you), have since learned from it and take corrective action, and all that jazz will most likely have it be disregarded. Not to mention you were such low time when the incident happened.
Just my $0.02
Showing that your humble, admitted a mistake was made (by you), have since learned from it and take corrective action, and all that jazz will most likely have it be disregarded. Not to mention you were such low time when the incident happened.
Just my $0.02
03-14-2007 | 07:38 AM
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Two important points you make: It was your fault and you learned from it.
The deal breakers in an interview is when you try to place blame elsewhere and/or show that you didn't change your behavior. Your fine, don't let that incident stop you from flying if that's what you want to do.
The deal breakers in an interview is when you try to place blame elsewhere and/or show that you didn't change your behavior. Your fine, don't let that incident stop you from flying if that's what you want to do.
03-14-2007 | 08:32 AM
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One violation together with accepting responsibility and showing you learnt from it will not affect your chances much. Particularly given the limited experience you had at the time.
Add multiple violations, and/or a number or busted checkrides, and you may start to look bad.
Add multiple violations, and/or a number or busted checkrides, and you may start to look bad.
03-14-2007 | 02:09 PM
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I think I have explained my ordeal pretty thoroughly.
Just one more question. Given my record, and besides the usual ratings required to get hired on a regional, if you were doing the hiring what kind of mins and additional training would you like to see on my resume before considering giving me a call?
I would like to get an idea of what to shoot for. There is nothing on the internet that answers these kinds of questions, besides the one that said a violation will kill your prospects of ever becoming an airline pilot.
Just one more question. Given my record, and besides the usual ratings required to get hired on a regional, if you were doing the hiring what kind of mins and additional training would you like to see on my resume before considering giving me a call?
I would like to get an idea of what to shoot for. There is nothing on the internet that answers these kinds of questions, besides the one that said a violation will kill your prospects of ever becoming an airline pilot.
1) It was years ago.
2) You were VERY inexperienced
3) You were not operating as a professional pilot.
4) You recognize what went wrong and learned from it.
By the time you get all your ratings and get some cfi time, this will all be just water under the bridge that will get a brief discussion at an interview. American Airlines/Eagle might possibly hold it against you, but they are pretty uptight...I wouldn't want to work there anyway.
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