Where in Europe can you get done on 3 months? As far as I know it has never been done in Europe. Yes they have ab-initio programs, but getting through training takes 16-24 months. And currently you wont get far without a typerating or put the time in like everyone else.

All right a bit off......
 

Bit off the topic guys.... I just wondered what the pass rate was like... but my question had nothing to do with europe and the such. I don't mean to step on any toes but dang!

I used to cfi at a small school and the students and all the instructors would all met up on sunday night and fly to Hooters next to PVD. Nothing was better, a bunch of 40 to 50 year old guys all at Hooters eating wings and enjoying life, telling jokes, then going flying in some sweet planes. Life was good. Now I work at an international flight training center, where it's training all the time and half of these guys came from the same school. Most of the cfi's and none of the students have ever gone up and just punched a few holes in the sky. NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER LANDED ON A SOFT FEILD!!!! I"m for changing the PTS to include a real grass strip landing, there is nothing like that at all in the world. Too bad that most of these guys never experinced it.

Funny.....

I have been on grass fields, dirt fields, soft fields, rough fields, frozen runways with 3 inches of ice on them. Had over 150 hours solo when I got my CFI ratings at 300TT. I have nothing else to compare to, but sometimes I feel like some of the structure would have been good for me also. We will see when I make the next jump up from CFI.

Which company is that?

I'm a fan of dirt too. My co-workers and I would sometimes meet at a little casino next to a dirt strip in the middle of the desert near Vegas for breakfast. They didn't have Hooters waitresses, but you could get in some morning slots. Always a good time.

Maybe not in 90 days, but definitely in hours, I know 3 guys that got hired in Europe flying narrows with less than 500 hours. They did a little of bit of time building here in the states in complex aircraft, then they were gone.

Amen SAAB!

I'm sure there are dorks from all training sources, but why are ATP guys and PAN AM guys working at your flight school? Did they suck too bad to get hired by their own companies? Perhaps...

Stop singling out one school(or any other for that matter), every place has its bad apples. That includes instructors and students, if you want to get done quick, go to the place that does it that way. Otherwise, live with what you choose, and stop talking down about ATP. I work there, and I know first hand that it is not an all-inclusive "peachy" experience. But, it gets the job done in a safe, efficient manner.