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Old 03-19-2007 | 12:33 PM
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I recently met a flight instructor that went to AllATPS and completed their 14 day CFI/CFII/MEI course. Although this guy knew his schtuff down pat I can't help but wonder how many people actually pass the checkride on the first go and how much information they either learn or retain as a result of such rapid training.......... just a thought.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 12:40 PM
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to accept that accelerated programs and ab-initio are how most prospective pilots will be trained. It is the byproduct of the shortage of pilots that we're already having at the regional level. So get use to it guys, cause it's not going to change, and it is the way it's always been done in Europe and other places around the world.

Mind you, I did it the old fashion way(fbo flying), but I have no doubts that those days will be soon gone.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 12:46 PM
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well you can never tell with those guys.....

I just met an American Eagle FO that did ALL his training at ATP and he said it was the only way to go.

He was a great pilot and very sharp.......makes you wonder if these programs are worth another look.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by belliott
I recently met a flight instructor that went to AllATPS and completed their 14 day CFI/CFII/MEI course. Although this guy knew his schtuff down pat I can't help but wonder how many people actually pass the checkride on the first go and how much information they either learn or retain as a result of such rapid training.......... just a thought.
Well, as a CFI I am glad to hear he knew his stuff, he should. My guess is that like most people who do programs like that he heavily prepared before showing up and studied the material that was sent. As an airline pilot I am glad to hear he was able yo handle the fast pace of training and more importantly hope that this person trains his students to the same level as himself.

Accelerated programs are not for everyone. The FBO route is great and has many benefits just as the fast 90 day or 14 days programs do. There are different types of people and we all learn differently when you break it down both candidates have to meet the same minimum PTS requirments. At which point the learning really begins.

Good Luck
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Old 03-19-2007 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboy275
well you can never tell with those guys.....

I just met an American Eagle FO that did ALL his training at ATP and he said it was the only way to go.

He was a great pilot and very sharp.......makes you wonder if these programs are worth another look.
By what standard are you judging here??? not to say the guy wasn't sharp but I noticed your position line under your name says PA-28-180??? are you even a regional pilot or just a GA guy? because if you are a GA guy what may seem sharp, high hour, knowledgeable ect. to you, is a whole different ball game to us....... food for thought.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 02:06 PM
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The atp grads are probably qualified but they are overpaying bigtime. The hiring mins are so low these days that you don't need to CFI. You can do the training other places for less in not much more time.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 02:18 PM
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ATP is *much* cheaper than many of the other pilot mills such as FSI, PanAm, Delta Connection Academy, etc...
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Old 03-19-2007 | 02:38 PM
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Of the two accelerated program (pan am and atp) cfi's I have worked with, both were pitiful. Both damaged aircraft at this flight school, one totaled. I have only seen sub par training from these programs. Company policy now won't allow quick finish up cfi's to work here. Just my personal observation.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 03:29 PM
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I instructed at a flight school that did accelerated training. The result rarely had much to do with the pace of the training program. Just as with the traditional way of doing things you have good and bad students, those that study and show effort and those that don't. The students that came prepared and gave 100 percent while training usually had no problems. I would rather work with someone everyday to get things done than once a week. Anyways, Some people are just not good at flying and may never be, no matter how much time you give them.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboy275
well you can never tell with those guys.....

I just met an American Eagle FO that did ALL his training at ATP and he said it was the only way to go.

He was a great pilot and very sharp.......makes you wonder if these programs are worth another look.
Yes but this is the perfect case of, "why the hell are you a professional Pilot" You people are missing out on the joy of flying, Christ.......... go out and shoot holes in the sky, go get a hamburger at some grass strip 2 hrs away, cruise over a river at 200ft in a J-3 thats flying, not doing steep turns until you are within PTS standards...............A lot of you guys have this dilusional vision that once you get an airline job you'll have the world by the balls................I hate to tell you this, but the only thing a 121 job does is make you miss grass fields, single engine airplanes and uncontrolled fields....................... I feel for you guys, you ZERO TO HERO guys in 3 months, who have never done "pleasure" flying you are in for a miserable ride................
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