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Old 04-09-2007 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Strike one Not an ex-military pilot. That is one strike against you.

Strike two You don't come from a prominent aviation family with strong ties in the airlines. That is strike two.



It is possible to get hired at a major with three strikes but not very likely. If anyone does a little research on new hire classes at the majors it becomes easy to find a pattern.

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Where do you get your information regarding these? These people clearly haven't got a clue.
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Old 04-09-2007 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot41
Where do you get your information regarding these? These people clearly haven't got a clue.
The information comes from personal experience and from studying hiring trends.

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Old 04-09-2007 | 11:00 AM
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The I suggest you need to study a little harder. My studies show nothing of the sort.
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Old 04-09-2007 | 12:07 PM
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Just like everything else there is a positive way to look at this. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, you could say its half full if ya know what I mean.

i.e. I've got a college degree = +5pts, Military Experience = +5pts, etc, etc.

I think thats a much better way to look at it. Just my two cents.
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Old 04-09-2007 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot41
The I suggest you need to study a little harder. My studies show nothing of the sort.
Why not share your views with the class?

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Old 04-09-2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hopefulharry
Just like everything else there is a positive way to look at this. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, you could say its half full if ya know what I mean.

i.e. I've got a college degree = +5pts, Military Experience = +5pts, etc, etc.

I think thats a much better way to look at it. Just my two cents.
I think it would be easy to produce a flow chart of ones chances in aviation. A prospective pilot could start at the top and work his way down to the probible outcomes.

At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained.

Of the remainder it is easy to find connections and recognizable family names in every new hire class. Some even require an internal recommendation of some sort.

College is preferred and even one third had masters degrees thanks again to the military pilots. Lastly if you have a DUI, bad credit, misdemeanor, felony, aircraft accident, been fired from a pilot position, bad driving record or anything else that you wouldn't proudly tell your mother about in your history it will count as a strike against you.

People get hired all the time with one or two strikes. Most of the time new hires have none. My point is that one can predict their chances or even improve them by using the three strikes as a guide.

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Old 04-09-2007 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I think it would be easy to produce a flow chart of ones chances in aviation. A prospective pilot could start at the top and work his way down to the probible outcomes.

At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained.

Of the remainder it is easy to find connections and recognizable family names in every new hire class. Some even require an internal recommendation of some sort.

College is preferred and even one third had masters degrees thanks again to the military pilots. Lastly if you have a DUI, bad credit, misdemeanor, felony, aircraft accident, been fired from a pilot position, bad driving record or anything else that you wouldn't proudly tell your mother about in your history it will count as a strike against you.

People get hired all the time with one or two strikes. Most of the time new hires have none. My point is that one can predict their chances or even improve them by using the three strikes as a guide.

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I dunno I would say most first year F/O's probbaly dont have immaculate credit,
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Old 04-09-2007 | 02:19 PM
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I dunno I would say most first year F/O's probbaly dont have immaculate credit,
True, but increasingly credit checks are becoming a part of employment background checks. Especially at the majors.

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Originally Posted by hopefulharry
Just like everything else there is a positive way to look at this. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, you could say its half full if ya know what I mean.

i.e. I've got a college degree = +5pts, Military Experience = +5pts, etc, etc.

I think thats a much better way to look at it. Just my two cents.
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Old 04-09-2007 | 02:47 PM
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At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained. SkyHigh
Military pilots going to the airline today probably graduated USAF UPT ten years ago. I believe that is the most recent committment after graduation. Here are the numbers of USAF pilots graduated between 1988 and 1998. There was a significant decrease. If ALL of the 1997 year pilots left the USAF today, there would be 682 pilots hired. I believe the % of pilots being hired by the airlines is SIGNIFICANTLY lower then 50% even considering USN statistics and military retirees who go to work for the airlines.

1988 1,468
1989 1,565
1990 1,548
1991 1,528
1992 967
1993 749
1994 533
1995 481
1996 525
1997 682
1998 869

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